Crazy Ivan’s RC Gato Conversion

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  • crazy ivan
    SubCommittee Member
    • Feb 2003
    • 659

    #31
    Well thanks, BD!

    A couple weeks

    Well thanks, BD!

    A couple weeks back, I worked on cutting out the many ballast tank flood holes. I chose a pattern after digesting the great input presented in the flood hole thread, and forming a composit from all the info. Thanks to goose814, I was able to reduce the work considerably because the fuel/ballast tanks had flood valves which would normally be closed, and these need only be scribed. Similarly, the fuel oil tanks had no ports, only covered manholes, which could also be scribed. Primarily, the main ballast tank flood ports needed to be opened. Still, there were 36 of them, plus 2 openings to the safety tank well, 1 for the negative tank well, and 2 for the retractable WCA sonar projectors. I referred to The Fleet Type Submarine, an online version of the original training manual, to determine which tanks and ports where which.

    From the drawings available, the free flood ports looked to be oval (not elliptical) slots. These could each be drawn as a pair of overlaping circles, connected by two straight tangent lines.



    All I needed to do would be to locate the centers of these holes on the hull and drill them out. Then just file the sides between them straight.

    I also noticed that 32 of the ports were located in 4 groups of 6, and furthermore, that each group was spaced the same way. If I had a template to locate the centers of each port relative to the keel, I could drill small pilot holes in the correct locations and then enlarge them. Moreover, I could put 3 pairs of holes on one template and get consistent hole spacing for all the ports in a group on each side of the keel.

    Now if I still had convenient access to a milling machine, it would be a simple matter to precisely locate all the pilot holes in question. But this is not the case. I do, however, own an antique metal lathe which has calibrated handwheels that are used to move the top-slide and cross-slide on the tool bit carriage. Hmm….

    I bolted my portable drill press to the lathe table top, positioning the drill chuck right above the carriage and presto]http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o130/Crazylvan/IndexingDrill.jpg[/img]

    Using a #65 drill bit, I made several drilling templates to accommodate the various hole patterns required.


    To do a set of flood ports, the drill template is held against the keel in the correct fore and aft location. The #65 bit is relocated to a pin vise, and the hole pattern is transferred by hand to the relatively soft plastic hull in short order. If you right click and view image, you can see here the pattern of the previously drilled pilot holes.



    If I had tried to enlarge the pilot holes to the final size using an ordinary twist drill, the results would have been disastrous, as this type of bit will catch on the plastic and rip it up badly. Instead I made a simple tool to do the job cleanly. It consists of a length of K+S brass tubing, having an OD the same as the desired hole size. One end was sharpened by running an Exacto-knife around the inside edge, then small teeth were cut around the circumference to create a small hole saw. A short length of brass rod which is the same size as the ID of the tubing was center drilled in the lathe to accept the #65 bit, thus forming a centering guide for the hole saw. It all fits together like this]http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o130/Crazylvan/Toolsketch.jpg[/img]

    Here is the actual tool]http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o130/Crazylvan/Tool.jpg[/img]

    The guide pin is inserted into the pilot hole]http://i119.photobucket.com/albums/o130/Crazylvan/Centerguide.jpg[/img]

    The hole saw is then mounted in my portable drill, placed over the guide rod and run at slow speed with moderate pressure so as not to melt the plastic. I did not punch through in one shot, but alternated several times between the two ends of the port to prevent one side of the port from collapsing out from under the saw before the other.


    The result is a hole shaped something like a fat figure 8. A file is then used to flatten out the sides.



    The completed free flood ports.



    I have scribed in several fuel tank manhole covers, but not the fuel/ballast tank valves. After studying the various available drawings and photos, I am uncertain whether they are circular, oval or elliptical. The Fleet Type Submarine online manual describes them as rectangular. I will wait until I can resolve this and scribe them in later.
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    • desert boat
      Junior Member
      • Feb 2003
      • 195

      #32
      Is that snow?

      Don't you work indoors man? You need to move down here if you're going to work outside.

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      • anonymous

        #33
        Ivan,

        Great work!

        Looks like I'll

        Ivan,

        Great work!

        Looks like I'll be the last to convert a Revell boat this time. The new 212 kit I'm producing is taking all my time but fun.

        Enjoying watching you build.

        steve

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        • seadog
          Junior Member
          • Sep 2006
          • 40

          #34
          Nice job http://www.subcommittee.com/forum/icon_biggrin.gif
          Looks like a

          Nice job
          Looks like a very accurate way of aligning and spacing the
          holes.
          Thanks for the post.

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          • crazy ivan
            SubCommittee Member
            • Feb 2003
            • 659

            #35
            Don't you work indoors man?

            Don't you work indoors man? You need to move down here if you're going to work outside.
            There's nothing like natural lighting when it comes to taking a picture, Ray, but I'd be afraid that Arizona desert sun would fry my photo receptors!
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            • crazy ivan
              SubCommittee Member
              • Feb 2003
              • 659

              #36
              This month's pool gathering finally

              This month's pool gathering finally produced what I can consider my first truly successful run. Though she was a bit nose heavy when submerged and I still have to drill out the air vents in the very aftmost part of the hull, I was able to hold her at periscope depth fairly well on a straight course with just the bow planes under my direct control. The stern planes are presently running autonomously from an APC-4 until I can add another channel for full control. There did seem to be a tendency for those now infamous upside-down stern planes to draw the tail down a bit, but this could only help, given my unbalanced condition. I'm mulling over the risks of ruining them altogether by trying to flip the soldered control arm over to the other side to right them. Here are some photos courtesy of donO. When I get some of the video that was shot last night, I'll post that too.


              The deck removed for trimming purposes


              Converging on donO's Boone


              Beginning a dive. My conning tower is nearing completion



              My bow plane retract mechanism is almost functional. As soon as I get it done I'll put up some pixs. Still some trimming work to do, but all in all, I'm quite happy with the performance.
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              • crazy ivan
                SubCommittee Member
                • Feb 2003
                • 659

                #37
                I'm afraid I haven't updated

                I'm afraid I haven't updated this thread in a while.... family issues. But I have been busy detailing my Gato when time allows. Meanwhile, here is a brief U-Tube video that goes with the above stills from my first successful dive back in February. The original file was pretty smooth and clear, but I'm afraid the U-Tube upload conversion knocks the crap out of the resolution and frame rate.

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                • boss subfixer
                  Junior Member
                  • Aug 2004
                  • 656

                  #38
                  George,
                  Did you do anything different

                  George,
                  Did you do anything different when you built the conning tower or is it built pretty much out of the box?
                  I put mine together out of the box and I'm concerned the some of the parts may get damaged while under water.
                  Thanks.
                  Don

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                  • tabledancer
                    Junior Member
                    • Feb 2005
                    • 573

                    #39
                    I shortened my scopes and

                    I shortened my scopes and drilled out the drain holes tO try and vent trapped

                    air but my hasn`t seem the water yet.
                    TD

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                    • crazy ivan
                      SubCommittee Member
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 659

                      #40
                      Well Don, let me tell

                      Well Don, let me tell ya' .... the only mod I did to beef things up was an unplanned one. Unloading the boat after its first trip to the pool, I bumped the 'scopes and they both broke off at the base. Not too surprising because the plastic pins sticking up from the sheers that the 'scope tubes mount on are pretty weak. That glue joint was never very strong. I drilled out the tubes and the sheers with a 1/16 bit in a pin vise, then CA'ed about an inch of 1/16 brass rod in as a replacement pin. Those 'scopes are rock solid now.

                      Another thing I did was to drill air vent holes in the forward vertical portion of the "sail deck". With the sail front piece in place, you don't see them. Also some vent holes in the lower horizontal step behind the bridge area where they can't be seen. I opened up the sail front behind the two scupper chutes for drainage. Last thing was to replace the lower half of the radar mast with brass tubing so I could hide some wiring.

                      The rest is out of the box, though I have yet to install the front and rear gun deck railings and guns. The observation deck railings are in place and are holding up OK. The most delicate parts are the two spotter optics and the compass. I haven't lost them yet. But I do think that I will be very choosy about where I run this boat. Lots of small stuff on the main deck too.

                      TD,
                      Which drain holes are you referring to?
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                      • tabledancer
                        Junior Member
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 573

                        #41
                        The scuppers,and like you I

                        The scuppers,and like you I also did a few places that can`t be seen.I thought that a lot of air could be trapped in that c/t.I also opened up the deck area underneath the c/t,so now my c/t isn`t glued to the deck,it is held down with a couple of 2/56 plastic screws.My reasoning was to lighten the topside area as much as I could.And also I thought that it would be nice for maintance purposes to have the c/t removable.
                        TD

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                        • boss subfixer
                          Junior Member
                          • Aug 2004
                          • 656

                          #42
                          Thanks George,
                          You hit on the

                          Thanks George,
                          You hit on the main area I am concerned about, the scopes. As you said that is a weak joint at best. Some of the other detail pieces have me worried too. I've been tossing the idea around about drilling the scuppers out and you've convinced me to do just that. I drilled small holes in the vertical portion of the sail deck just like you did. Do you have a picture of the lower horizontal step area you mentioned?
                          Thanks.
                          Don

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                          • crazy ivan
                            SubCommittee Member
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 659

                            #43
                            Looking inside my tower, I

                            Looking inside my tower, I see that my memory was faulty..... the step was drilled on the vertical surface as well. I don't have a photo of that area, but here is a clip from the plans showing where I mean.

                            And TD, I drilled out the deck as you did and mounted the tower with screws too, for the same reason.



                            I also put a small vent hole behind the bell, and I will try to hide more under the bases of the guns if they are not too conspicuous.
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                            -George Protchenko

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                            • boss subfixer
                              Junior Member
                              • Aug 2004
                              • 656

                              #44
                              Thank you George. You know

                              Thank you George. You know you could probably hide a couple of small holes under the ammo can on the deck too. I like the idea of making the ct removable too.
                              Thanks TD for that one.
                              Don

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                              • ricknelson
                                Junior Member
                                • Dec 2006
                                • 186

                                #45
                                Hi Crazy Ivan,

                                Before it's too

                                Hi Crazy Ivan,

                                Before it's too late I hope that you removed the two doors (one on each side) on the fairwater. It might also help your venting of the c/t area. This was one of the mistakes Revell made when they designed this model "literally" after the USS Cobia. All of the museum subs have added restrictions to the access underneath the bridge for liability reasons. Revell thought this was part of a fleet boat design and just copied it. They should have had a DB sailor review their plans before building molds. All fleet boats had arches or access areas, NO DOORS

                                I know that a lot of guys are not into the "authenticity" gig but if you have any questions regarding such issues I'd be glad to work on them for you.

                                Check out my "Revell 1/72 Gato issues" thread in this forum for other nits I have with the kit.

                                I'm planning on building a late war static version of the kit so if anyone is interested in what modifications need to be made to make the fairwater into the openwork or "Covered Wagon" look drop me a line. It's not that difficult. Only the Cobia and the Mingo finished up the war not being modified so if you implement the change it allows you the opportunity to model just about any other specific boat. I also have ideas on how to move the SJ Radar from for to aft of the 'scopes and I've built a separate SD radar mast if anyone is interested. Check out my "You start with Revell's Lionfish then . . . " thread in the static forum.

                                BTW, I really like your Flood port cutting technique. I'll have to "borrow" that one if you don't mind.

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