Revell VIIc shipping in holland

[sam reichart]

Ronald-
you have mail!
Sam

Ronald-
you have mail!
Sam

[JWLaRue]

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Next

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Next posting will be the deck and hydrophones.

-hope this is useful,

Jeff

[raalst]

Jeff, sure is useful !



[color=#000000]Jeff, sure is useful !

no separate outer door on the aft tube. scratchbuilding
is probably simple, though.

there is no features on the kingston valves covers.
are there things plain metal plates ?
same for the valve doors under the saddletank.

on the uzo ]

[bigdave]

Hi Ron, If you get

Hi Ron, If you get a chance could you measure and see what you feel is the largest O.D. tube that could fit inside of the hull. Thanks for sharing your great photos with us. Dave.

[raalst]

a bit more on the

a bit more on the tower. I am building U203.

203 has a circular chimney
on the left side with an aerial on it.
Photo's suggest the "chimney" was a more triangular
shape. any thoughts on that ?

also the inside air duct look far to short and far to thick.
have a look at this air duct
The aft end of the top of this air duct is seen in photo's to
curve gently away. The kit has a fairly sharp edge.

just for detail I took a photo of the UZO post

btw, was a hinged compass always attached to the aft
periscope ? it is missing from the kit.

let me know what you think !



Edited By raalst on 1071782860

[raalst]

dave,

the max diameter

dave,

the max diameter would be 6 centimeters.
But this width is only there for a length of 18 centimeters.
I have a prototype of a 6cm wtc for a kilo kit, but it is
already too long for this boat.

I think the german way of building subs would have more
possibility of success.
in this approach the whole hull is sealed up and part of the
wtc. somewhere in the middle the model is sawed through
and a there is a bajonet ring inserted which
joins the front and back of the model. often all internal stuff
is strapped to some harness fixed inside the back of the
model. The front part is then slided over the contents of the
WTC. lots of words, hope you know what I mean...

Regards,
Ronald

Ps details like the AA gun
will not survive the dip in the pool, I guess. it is just too
fragile.



Edited By raalst on 1071784057

[sam reichart]

Ronald-
The "chimney", according to the

Ronald-
The "chimney", according to the plan set I have, was rounded, as you have it. The fairing toward the conning tower was somewhat flat, from the middle of the half circle back. I probably didn't explain it well... Check your email for a scan of a top down look of this housing.

[JWLaRue]

Hi Ronald,

I'm still looking over

[color=#000000]Hi Ronald,

I'm still looking over the deck, though larger photos would make it easier. (I'm not complaining!) Initial impression is that some of the deck slots located within the deck hatches are improperly located. By that I mean that if you were to 'remove' the hatch outlines, the slots would line up (fore to aft). For example, on the forwardmost deck section it looks like the slots in the hatches just aft of the capstan are not lined up properly. I think a better evaluation will need to wait until I manage to get one of these kits in my hands.....

Also, some of the hatch details on the sternmost deck section do not look familiar....I'm checking to see if this might be a yard-specific variation.

The deck does show the bollards in the stored or retracted configuration. Does the kit include the parts to show the bollards in the extended position?

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The only photos that I have that show the 'kingston' valve area of the keel (and the underside of the saddle tanks) show only a featureless flat surface.

It's difficult to tell from the 'chimney' photo, but the fairing looks too big.....?

Aft air intake stacks]

[raalst]

jeff,

I scanned the decks.

jeff,

I scanned the decks. These pictures can be enlarged
quite a bit. hopefully they show more detail
deckscan1
deckscan2


there are no parts to extend the bollards
can you explain what a fairing is ? i just don't know
the meaning of the word.

the air intake grating is inscribed (*very* faint) into
the top of the part shown in the "tower2" photo.
do you also feel that the air intake is not long enough ?
I think (from photo's) that it extends inwards up to the
middle of the "chimney".

I will make a photo of the console area. there is a speaking tube supplied, and a slightly fatter tubelike thing extending from the floor.
I have seen a photo where this thing houses some
instrument, but since the face of the intrument is slanted,
it is probably not a compass.
have a look

thanks again !
Ronald



Edited By raalst on 1071869624

[bigdave]

Yes, I know what you

Yes, I know what you mean. I have seen many of these type of hulls at the Subregattas the times the Germans came over. Also my best friends new Engel kit it constructed this way. Very nice for a smaller hull. Thanks, Dave.

[raalst]

to add insult to injury

[color=#000000]to add insult to injury ]



Edited By raalst on 1071870052

[sam reichart]

Ronald-
thanks for adding the pictures

Ronald-
thanks for adding the pictures of the tower interior and the AA gun...
Something does not look correct with the tower front interior...All the pictures I have seen of the speak tube put it level with or above the shelf at the front...is it possible it was "retractable" to the size shown?
Also, that is the engine speed repeater, I believe, on the left. That looks a little low as well. No compass housing or gimbal, and no "cupboard"! The Accurate Armour tower shows a cupboard unit below the shelf at the front...perhaps that was a yard specific thing? (Jeff?)

The AA gun...adjustment wheel looks too thick, but I would expect that given the sizes shown for the 8.8 deck gun, and the fact that it's injection molded.
Also, something looks a little strange about the receiver of the weapon as well...I need to look at a photo or drawing of the gun to say for sure, but it looks...somewhat incorrect...
I'll have to check some more.

Just first glance stuff here...I still can't wait to get my hands on one of these models (I just ordered a second..,
Sam

[JWLaRue]

I saved the two new

[color=#000000]I saved the two new deck images (thanks!)....in my opinion there is definitely something wrong there. I will markup them up in Photoshop and send them back to Ronald for web hosting.

The dash area is more like a Type IX, but not at all like any VII that I have ever seen.

What's that 'frame' that is seen around the inside of the tower walls and above the deck?

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[sam reichart]

Ronald/Jeff-
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Ronald- please see if

Ronald/Jeff-
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Ronald- please see if that "frame" should be supporting the floor?!?
Sam

[raalst]

Sam,
I am fairly

Sam,
I am fairly sure this frame is authentic
along the tower wall there was a "step up"
(I don't know a better word) for people to stand on and get
a better view. This step-up is also around the aft periscope.
This info i obtained from photo's of the real thing.
And the building manual of the kit is fairly clear on it
(but given the other inaccuracies that does not account
for much)

regards,
Ronald

Ps. I get the feeling that once again Revell has not
grasped the opportunity to make the kit into a museum
piece.
the props rotate, the gun does, the periscopes slide
up and down, so all the apparently necessary toy-qualities are added but they did NOT do their homework.
Also, they could have added a few more bits like
separate deck covers and hatches, bollards, some separate
doors in the tower etc. This would give the model
so much more depth. Well, lets see what we can make
out of it...



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