Type II Plans - Looking for plans

[silent runner]

Bob,
Concerning the 80" hull, according

Bob,
Concerning the 80" hull, according to the seller, the molds were purchased from the original builder and he is pulling hulls from these. As to quality, I will let everyone know when I receive it as I am the winning bidder. The finished product looked amazing, so it is the builder of this boat I would like to find. I ordered the GB plans from Taubman and will have to enlarge them to 1/20 for this boat.

Mike

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For those who are interested,

David

For those who are interested,

David Merriman and I will be working on a 1/32 Type II in the near future. This, along with the 1/96 Skate, will be detailed to Dave's exacting standards. Now, there is no date for release, but he has the Type II molds for detaling so it is in his pipeline; stay tuned.

Lyle & Erv, Atomic Subs

[JWLaRue]

Bob,

For the purposes of building

Bob,

For the purposes of building a model of a Type II, I'd definitely recommend the GB plans....or the Hans Sievers plans if you can find those. But the VOZM book has a number of good photos of the various classes of the Type II.

All these plans have very good cross sections, but the GB plans include a lot of those details that us modelers crave.

Lyle,

If I understand correctly, the molds that you sent to Merriman are the ones made by Dave Manley? In that case, Merriman is going to have a *lot* of work to do correcting the various flaws in those molds! I do not envy anyone who takes on that task.

All,

On a related note, I recently found out that Gerry Beck himself has created a master and set of molds that will shortly be used to create kits for sale. These will be done by one of GB's friends. We'll need to wait and see what these kits look like.

I, for one, am looking forward to folks producing a large scale Type II as I believe it's just about the perfect U-boat in terms of reasonable size and in a large scale.

-Jeff

[Guest]

Jeff,

In your oppinion, should I

Jeff,

In your oppinion, should I Sh*t Can the molds I have and make way for this new kit (hate to think that I spent money on molds that were inferior). Give it to me straight, I don't want to waste any time on a competing kit. The market is to small for duplicate kits.

Lyle



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[JWLaRue]

Hi Lyle,

If these are the

[color=#000000]Hi Lyle,

If these are the same molds I *think* they are, I can confirm that there are a number of things wrong with hulls produced from them. The most serious examples]

[silent runner]

I just received an email

I just received an email from Tim@barnstormerboats regarding my purchase. Granted I do not know the quality of this hull, he was very forthcoming about what I am getting. 2 hull halves, 2 conning tower halves, dive planes and rudder. Picture on his website show the completed boat. I will put pics up on my homepage here when I get it so everybody can pick it apart. Still, I couldn't go too wrong for the price I paid, which was much less than advertised on the site. He had 5 hulls in stock,(4 now ) and listed again on ebay. Not trying to steal anybody's thunder, just passing along info.

Mike

[JWLaRue]

Mike,

Please take some good photos

Mike,

Please take some good photos of the kit when you get it. I've seen this kit for sale for the past several years, but as of yet do not know anyone who has one. A length of 80 inches makes it sort of an odd scale (1/21.64), but it will provide lots of room to make things like torpedoes and scopes work!

You'll definitely want a copy of the GB plans when you go to cut out all those deck slots.

-Jeff

[silent runner]

Jeff,
Lots of photos to be

Jeff,
Lots of photos to be sure.
I did order a set of GB plans once I was confirmed of getting the boat. Thoughts of all the 'bells and whistles' will keep me occupied, but for now am just mapping out the 'go forward-backward and up and down. You see, I have this pair of Astroflight geared marine 40's and...........
you get the point. The seller did state that the surface detail was 'exquisite' we will see. supposed to ship this coming week. Michigan to Oregon. stay tuned!
Mike

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Jeff,

Thanks for the info. It

Jeff,

Thanks for the info. It looks like the Type II molds may again be moving on to another owner.

- Lyle

[thordesign]

Lyle,

Not so fast. Some of

Lyle,

Not so fast. Some of the errors Jeff is talking about is from me pulling a hull from the molds and letting them sit on their sides for almost a year before shipping them out to him. Yes, there are flaws as we discussed, however lets address the flaws of the molds and how to fix it.

1)The overall length is between that of a IIB and IIC
This is easily fixed in the mold. It can be fixed with 2 hours worth of work. If you want to know how to do it, call me and I will pass along to you a very quick fix for it.

2)The keel skeg is canted-This can be fixed by pulling a soft hull out and screwing a template to it while it cures.


3)The shape of the bow (profile) is incorrect

This is the easiest to fix. A single template and some cabosil and you are in business


4)The hull casing is asymmetric
This is also fixed fairly easily. A section of 10 oz. glass finished with Cabosil will take care of this. Also, as I mentioned above, I was to blame for that due to the boat laying on its side to long while soft. My fault.

5)The aft hull underbody appears to be asymmetric too. (I'm still chasing that possible one...it may actually just be the canted keel.)-In my opinion, I believe Jeffrey is correct here and it is due to the canted keel. Fix the keel above and this will take care of itself.

The biggest issue to me was the deck, which can be fixed with some cabosil filler and a template.


Now, I need to make a distiction here. The above fixes are for the construction of a new pattern using a hull pulled from the existing molds. This is too much work for the construction of a working boat.

Lyle, there will be no competition for your upcoming kit. Dave and I have spoken of it several times and have talked about the issues with the hull. Both of us believe that it is very workable and fixable. The big type II is not a very marketable item as it is too big for most and is a very oddball scale. 1/32nd scale is perfect for this boat.!

As I stated earlier, I will not be kitting this boat. Jeff, Sam, and I decided to go another direction for one reason. After we pull the 3 hulls from the molds that will be the end of it. I have no desire for any new kits beyond GATO and the molds will be absolute junk when I am finished with them.

All 3 of us should be commited to the insane asylum for our severe cases of AMS(advanced modeler syndrome). If it is not perfect, then it is not worth doing. Well, even this version is not going to be perfect. No model ever is. Please do not give up on this kit as it will be the only Type II out there in this scale. It can be done with the work above. I chose not to do it due to my extremely limited availability of time. It was easier for me to take Jeff's plans and work up a 3D model and have a CNC machine do the mold work.

Mike Dory proved it as his award winning Type IIC came from these molds. A VERY nice model can be produced from this upcoming kit of yours and there is absolutely NO ONE better suited to get it going for you than Dave Merriman. He was all fired up to do this. Work with him on it as you are now and produce a great kit! I think you will regret it if you get rid of those molds.

[JWLaRue]

Lyle,

.....Matt's reply is exactly why

Lyle,

.....Matt's reply is exactly why I noted that I was not in a position to answer your question from a manufacturer's point of view!

And we definitely all have a case of severe AMS.

-Jeff

[silent runner]

I just received an email

I just received an email from Tim@barnstormerboats regarding my purchase. Granted I do not know the quality of this hull, he was very forthcoming about what I am getting. 2 hull halves, 2 conning tower halves, dive planes and rudder. Picture on his website show the completed boat. I will put pics up on my homepage here when I get it so everybody can pick it apart. Still, I couldn't go too wrong for the price I paid, which was much less than advertised on the site. He had 5 hulls in stock,(4 now ) and listed again on ebay. Not trying to steal anybody's thunder, just passing along info.

Mike

To add a follow up to this. Payment acknowledgement was received 2 weeks ago. As of today, this seller has not responded to any inquiries from me regarding shipping. If anyone here has had dealings regarding his other sub hulls, please let me know.

Mike

michael_42_kf@msn.com

[delphin]

MIke,
I am sorry to hear

MIke,
I am sorry to hear of your problems after the purchase. I purchased motors from another seller on ebay. While the auction was live I would get quick emails back answering the questions I had. After I had won the motors I had trouble communicating with the seller. He explained later that it was because he had too many items on ebay and was very very busy. My motors came in 8 days after the end of the bidding. I wish you luck in getting your hull.
I have decided to go with another sub class since I started this post. I found a gentleman in Fla. with an outstanding set of plans in 1/40 scale of the Type IXB. Can't wait to get them and get started.
Bob