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  • bigdave
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2003
    • 3596

    #1

    New Side Project FS-1

    I will never learn!!
    As if I don’t have enough projects I decided to start yet another that I have wanted to do for a long long time.
    No one can deny the FS-1 (Flying Sub) is cool! Always jealous of Rick Teskey’s fiberglass talents with his cool Seaview and FS-1 models I did not feel I was up to the task of making my own.
    Now after building three hulls myself using the lost foam method now referred to as the Dumbass method I thought maybe I was up to the task.
    Time will tell if this statement (or the hull) holds water. Ha!!
    I had a plan to make a small FS-1 out of a Lunar models 14” hull kit and propel it with two Graupner mini-jet pumps. This was about a year ago and then about a few months later I met John. He was a fellow sub modeler from CA that was coming to town for a wedding and had emailed to see if he could get together and run subs when he was in town.
    John said he was bringing his FS-1 he had built with him.
    We got a date and time set to meet at our pond and four of our local group was able to show up. Well low and behold John had done the same thing I was thinking of doing. Converting a Lunar models kit to a working sub with two mini-jet drives, and it really worked great.
    Well flash forward to last week and I got the urge to do the conversion again. I remembered John said he had to do a bit of modifing to get the Lunar hull to work as it was not intended to be functional. So I decided to give the hull a try myself. I figure the worst I can do is screw it up and then maybe try one of Rick’s excellent 16” hulls.
    No downside I can see!!
    I do like the 14” size that John used as the Graupner mini-jet drives fit inside nice. The first thing I needed to do is get some plans to work from, but as none I know of exist I had to go the taking measurements form existing model in a different scale and convert to the scale I wanted route.
    Also finding all the photos I could to check my progress with. I was told the old Monogram 7.5” kit I had was not really exact scale. But as I am not a stickler for 100% exact scale (sorry all you scale guys) I will be happy with a hull that looks like a FS-1. I would rather have a boat run well than be perfect scale. So shoot me!!
    I have about 8Hrs of work into the project now and have 5 hull rib patterns and a top view that I will glue to thin cardboard so I can cut out the foam ribs with my hot wire jig saw. I will then cut that assembly to the top view pattern and hopefully then have what looks something like a Flying Sub hull. Then a lot of carving and sanding to final shape.
    My plan is to then coat the plug with a Urethane plastic called Shell Shock. It is made to be thixotropic after mixed and can be brushed on in layers to the desired thickness. When you remove the foam you have a plastic hull.
    I have been using this process for a while and it works well. Wish me luck.
    I will post progress as I get time. The one photo shows the hull rib patterns and some tools used to take measurements of the smaller hull. The other shows the three different sizes of FS-1. The smaller being the one that comes with the new Seaview kit, and then my old kit sitting on the 14” hull plan. BD.




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  • Larry Kuntz
    SubCommittee Member
    • Feb 2003
    • 524

    #2
    Now IF you could make

    Now IF you could make it fly! Never mind, I should never had brought that up. I've seen some of your subs "fly" at the "Y", right out of the water and on the deck.
    It's the only place I've heard someone yell "EVERYONE OUT OF THE WATER" and it wasn't because of sharks, it was because Dave was running a sub.
    Oh yea, that does really look like a nice project.
    "What goes down does not always come back up"

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    • bigdave
      Junior Member
      • Feb 2003
      • 3596

      #3
      Me thinkith Larryith knows me

      Me thinkith Larryith knows me to wellith!!
      It was a cool FS-1 that John brought though wasn't it Mr K?

      I was able to get a bit more work done today. I got the rib patterns glued to thin cardboard. I then made four pilot holes in the patterns used to line up the ribs for gluing and holding the patterns to the foam blank.
      You can see the holding pins I made from bamboo rods and fuel tubing. You can also see my home made hotwire jigsaw that I designed for my Turtle hull years back.
      It has adjustable centering and tension for the wire. It does a good job in cutting out the ribs.
      Then I used the four pilot holes to center the ribs to glue together. Make sure you use foam safe glue that sands easily.
      Use as little glue as possible to make it easier to sand later.
      Then you can see the main hull shape top view pattern that will be used to hotwire the shape into the plug once the glue is dry.
      After that shape is cut it will be up to sandpaper and my eye to try and finalize the shape. BD.










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      • bigdave
        Junior Member
        • Feb 2003
        • 3596

        #4
        Here are a few more

        Here are a few more photos of good tools to work with foam. We have the Woodland Scenes hand hotwire, a soldering gun with various cutters bent from copper wire, and a foam cutting hotknife. The hotknife is my newest tool. It is used by sculptors who work with foam. Then we have a photo of the plug as it is now. BD.




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        • bigdave
          Junior Member
          • Feb 2003
          • 3596

          #5
          I just cut the top

          I just cut the top view profile. Looking more like the FS-1. BD.
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          • bigdave
            Junior Member
            • Feb 2003
            • 3596

            #6
            Here is a photo of

            Here is a photo of how it looks now. This is a very slow process.
            I am not ashamed to say I am way out of my pay grade on this one.
            There are so many curves and angles you really need to be and artist or sculptor get it right.
            But I will press on and see what I can do. I have already made quite a few mistakes I have to correct. I guess if it was easy everyone could do it.
            Bottom line is I am having fun. BD.

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            • Guest

              #7
              Are you going to make

              Are you going to make the fins, front windows and rear hatch seperately (i.e. use G10 sheet)?

              I think the FS1 has to be the trickiest shape out there, although I reckon the yellow sub ran it a close second, curvy little blighter!

              Andy

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              • clive
                Junior Member
                • Dec 2006
                • 65

                #8
                Home made hotwire

                Very interested in your home made hotwire jigsaw that you designed for your Turtle hull years back.

                What is your power source and what size of wire do you suggest. I would like to make one but am not sue where to start so your suggestions would be appreciated.

                Regards

                Clive

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                • bigdave
                  Junior Member
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 3596

                  #9
                  The fins for sure. The

                  The fins for sure. The windows will be part of the hull I think. Not sure yet.
                  Clive, The power source is from my Woodland Scenes wire cutter. It is just a wall-wart as we call them over here. The wire is Nicrome wire I got at a hobby shop sold for hot wire cutters. The rest is scrap I had lying around. The plywood rings and then the metal piping with adjustable connectors used in chemistry lab equipment. I will try and draw something up. BD.
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                  • clive
                    Junior Member
                    • Dec 2006
                    • 65

                    #10
                    The fins for sure. The

                    The fins for sure. The windows will be part of the hull I think. Not sure yet.
                    Clive, The power source is from my Woodland Scenes wire cutter. It is just a wall-wart as we call them over here. The wire is Nicrome wire I got at a hobby shop sold for hot wire cutters. The rest is scrap I had lying around. The plywood rings and then the metal piping with adjustable connectors used in chemistry lab equipment. I will try and draw something up. BD.
                    Hi Dave

                    Many thanks. I look forward to seeing the drawing

                    Clive

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                    • bigdave
                      Junior Member
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 3596

                      #11
                      Here are the newest photos.

                      Here are the newest photos.
                      I can't tell you how much a PITA this is , but at the same time it is very rewarding when you see it is actually looking like the real thing. I really did not think it would look as well as it does.
                      Which just goes to show you if a sch--ck like me who still draws stick people can do it, there is hope for all of us.
                      There is still a lot to do but I don't want to get to picky (Mr Pl).
                      At some point I just have to say that is it and if I keep going I am going to screw it up. . BD.



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                      • bigdave
                        Junior Member
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 3596

                        #12
                        Just a word on trimming

                        Just a word on trimming the plug.
                        Once the basic plug was made from the ribs, and then trimming the overhead profile it has all been by eye. That is why I said you really need to be a sculptor.
                        Besides sandpaper the tool I am using the most is a thin blade retractable blade razor knife, or box cutter knife they are sometimes called. The ones with the smaller blades about 3/8" I think. The bigger blades do not flex as well. Nice sharp blades are a must. Sandpaper is a little tricky as if you go to low a number it will tear the foam off in chunks. I use Norton 3X 150 grit paper. It is the best I have used.
                        I just stare at the photos and the smaller model and then do a little trimming or sanding on the plug. Just keep trying to visualize how it should look. Take measurements and convert them to your scale and transfer them to the plug using a magic marker. When I start to get frustrated I just walk away and do something else. You get to do everything twice as well because when you get the port side done you have to match it on the starboard side.
                        BD.
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                        • tmsmalley
                          SubCommittee Member
                          • Feb 2003
                          • 2376

                          #13
                          To paraphrase a famous artist;

                          To paraphrase a famous artist; "Sculpture is simple, just take a block of foam and cut away everything that doesn't look like the FS-1."

                          Seriously Dave, she is coming along nicely!

                          Tim

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                          • bigdave
                            Junior Member
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 3596

                            #14
                            Thanks Tim! http://www.subcommittee.com/forum/icon_biggrin.gif
                            I

                            Thanks Tim!
                            I finally got to that point this afternoon when I said that's it!!
                            I have gone as far as I can in shaping the hull. Sorry I did not have a camera in the Dockyard at the time.
                            Sanding the foam is a messy messy job!
                            I just put my first coat of the Shell Shock plastic on the bottom of the hull. I am still new to working with this so I am not sure how much to mix at one time.
                            I have an 8 minute working time with the slow version I purchased.
                            I could have used a larger brush. The acid brush I used was too small.
                            I got the entire bottom coated before it got too thick to brush. I ended up making too much but will know better next time.
                            It is interesting stuff. It goes on like frosting and starts to get thick like taffy. This slow version will set rock solid in 5 HRS. I will get some photos tomorrow before I start with the upper half. BD.
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                            • tmsmalley
                              SubCommittee Member
                              • Feb 2003
                              • 2376

                              #15
                              So the Shellshock will be

                              So the Shellshock will be the hull? It will be interesting to see how it works out. Sure sounds a lot easier than fiberglass!

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