1/96 Ohio SSBN/SSGN build underway

[pirate]

Well guys, the time has

Well guys, the time has come. Actual production won't begin until probably around February, but in order to deduct my development costs from this years taxes, I need to show something sold. So I am beginning to take deposits for reserved orders—continental U.S. only. I may sell overseas after production begins, but I'll decide that then.

Final price will be $1,000.

Kit will include :
3 piece epoxy/glass hull
stern planes, sail planes, upper and lower rudders and sail
cast propeller and short shaft
Control linkages for rudder and stern planes
Assortment of WTC carriage pieces for 3 and 3.5 inch WTC cylinders
Instructions

Deposit: $400 This insures serious inquiries only.
Non-refundable after production begins. This will cover my costs for materials purchased, so if you change your mind after I begin making the kits this money will have been spent and cannot be returned.

If you change your mind before production begins, I will deduct $25 for my time to return your deposit.

Send check or money order to:
Pete Piekarski
Put "SubmarineWorks/Ohio" on memo line
6625 Monarch Drive
Fort Wayne IN 46815

Be sure to include your name, email, mailing/shipping address, and phone number including area code so I can contact you if needed.
Also include a copy of this post. This shows me you've seen these requirements and agree to them.

Once I begin the production phase, I will notify each of you as I start yours, and ask for the balance at that time, so you'll be the first to know when that is.

First come, first served.

I expect to resume work on the master in December, and will update this post then. Right now I'm working on getting a sign company to run the deck detail lines from my plan out on vinyl masking material with a carrier sheet. Then I can lay them all down at once in perfect relation to each other. I spray over them for Painted Tape Details. Should be a lot easier and more accurate than laying them all down one at a time by hand. You'll see pictures here when I get them, if I can.

Pete

[mike dory]

Pete - Just a quick

Pete - Just a quick question for you and the others who are looking to R/C 'ing this boat, What are you going to do to get it to turn? I've had several friends who built the 1/96 scale Ohio from 32 Parallel many years ago and I can tell you, it truly took "40 acres to turn it around" as the saying goes. Any ideas. It looks to be a wounderful build, Thanks for sharing it with us. Best Wishes Mike Dory

[wayne frey]

Mike,
You are probably correct

Mike,
You are probably correct on the turning. Bow thrusters may have to be added. She is a looooonnnnnngggg one!!!!
Probably best served in a hover just below the water, doing what boomers do
I am glad to see it coming. Putting my deposit in dec, a few weeks.

[Rogue Sub]

could always link the stabilizers

could always link the stabilizers with the rudder for more surface area otherwise they are going to try and fight you in the turn. I dont think bow thrusters will have any effect on this model when it has any momentum. I think you would have to install bilge pumps in the nose to get any noticable effect. You can also atempt to weight the sub aft of the center as much as possible. Just a trick I learned from another guy that made his boat do circles around mine.

[pirate]

Mike,

I'm not going to do

Mike,

I'm not going to do anything to the kit to make it turn better. I'm building it as it is.

But I may indeed put some kind of bow thrusters in my own boat when I build it—maybe rocket powered—just kidding of course.

It obviously won't be a boat to run in the tub or even a decent-sized pool, enless you just run it straight. But it would run nicely at the Carmel reflecting pond at the next regatta (which hopefully will be held there again).

Pete

[pirate]

Kevin,

Are you talking about the

Kevin,

Are you talking about the sail planes as the stabilizers, or the stern planes? And would they operate the same as ailerons on an airplane's wings to roll the boat into the turn? More details please.

Pete

[bigdave]

Just something to think about.

Just something to think about.
I remember a seminar I was at years ago that Skip Asay was giving a talk at, and bow thrusters came up. As I recall he did some testing and found that they had basically no effect at all on a moving submarine. I don't remember the how or why, (CRS) I just remember the basic answer. BD.

[JWLaRue]

Just something to think about.

Just something to think about.
I remember a seminar I was at years ago that Skip Asay was giving a talk at, and bow thrusters came up. As I recall he did some testing and found that they had basically no effect at all on a moving submarine. I don't remember the how or why, (CRS) I just remember the basic answer. BD.

...wasn't it due to the amount of flow around the bow (e.g. laminar flow) that pretty much negated the effect of a bow thruster....?

-Jeff

[mike dory]

Guy's - I can only

Guy's - I can only speak to what I have witnessed, The 1/96 Ohio's from 32 P. were right close to 6 ft. long and if I recall had postage stamp size rudders on both top and bottom. You might be, even hard pressed to get a 360 degree turn at Carmel. Will Oudemayer took his Ohio and added a bow thruster to it and what a difference it made, like night & day. As I recall he had it hooked up to micro switches that the servo would engaged at the far end of left or right rudder travel. On the out side of the hull he would hide the opening with some screen, which made it look like some sort of sonor panel with a little work. turned out to be one of the best running boats. but it was a challenge for awhile getting it to turn till he put that bow thruster in. The great thing about having this size boat is you have room for a long Engle type pump system, plenty of room for the jack screw. If your going to R/C this boat, You might give Will a call his phone is in the Sub Committee directory. He's a neat guy and he's done this with great success. Good luck to all of you on your project. Best Wishes Mike Dory

[wayne frey]

I have an enormous amount

I have an enormous amount of respect for Oudemayer's work.
I did not know he had done a 1/96 Ohio. I would love to see pictures and see the specs on his boat.
My guess is bow thrusters will work in scale speed of the Ohio. Boomers are large, and "slip around" vs the attack boats.
I suppose those that build it will find out in real life what it takes to make it work. That is part of the fun. However, if Will built one, his experiance would be insightful. I know Merrimen has built one, a Copeland for a customer. He used it in an older VHS tape on the how to's of detailing and painting. An excellent video.

[scott t]

Here is an idea for

Here is an idea for someone to experiment with:

Add a clear rudder under the forward end of the
boat that stears oposite of the rear rudder forcing
the bow over with forward motion.
Make it attached with a release mechanism
(like a eggbeater) to remove for display.

Scott

[Rogue Sub]

Kevin,

Are you talking about the

Kevin,

Are you talking about the sail planes as the stabilizers, or the stern planes? And would they operate the same as ailerons on an airplane's wings to roll the boat into the turn? More details please.

Pete

Well Pete. I know that in real life the seawolf stern planes are detatched and can be utilized to bank into turns making it work like an Xtail ( and if youve ever seen one of those run they turn great) In real life the Ohio barely banks at even a flank bell. Its just a fat big of a boat. My other idea is to utilize the stabilizers on the stern planes as rudders. Its not acurate but it wil basicly give you a tripple rudder.
Course bow thruster or ster thusters could work. Has anyone used them as stern thrusters... Then you could just make it come out of the seawater discharge and the screens would not be a problem but accurate.
Food for thought

[navy2000]

I know from my time

I know from my time on the Boomers that the ship had a larger turning cirle on the surface vise when it was submerged, this comes from my time when I was on the pre-com crew for the Rhode Island during the sea trials prior to commissioning. When driving the sub on the surface you could give a small amount of command to the stern planes in the rise direction which will make the stern of the sub go a little bit deeper in the water making the upper rudder help in the turn to make atighter turning circle.

Duane

[tmsmalley]

I remember Skip's statement about

I remember Skip's statement about the bow thrusters not working either - except at very slooooow speeds.

Maybe some clear plastic snap-on rudder extenders to give them a little more bite?

[Rogue Sub]

You know there is only

You know there is only one way to settle this whole deal..... PETE hurry up and finish!!

All of you just need to buy one!