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  • u-5075
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2003
    • 1134

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    DARPA seeks Special Forces submersible aeroplane

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/10/06 ... lane_plan/

    DARPA seeks Special Forces submersible aeroplane
    By Lewis Page • Get more from this author

    Say what you like about the US military's technology planners, they don't flinch from a challenge. The latest ploy out of the American warboffinry machine is nothing less than an aircraft which can fly underwater.

    The upcoming aerosubmarine plan was announced on Friday, under the rather uninspiring name "Submersible Aircraft". The idea, few regular readers will be surprised to hear, comes from DARPA* - the Pentagon wingnut-tech bureau, which is plainly looking to take the concept of flying below the radar literally to a whole new level.

    The DARPA bigwigs are fairly clear what they want:

    A game changing DoD capability for inserting small teams, clandestinely, along coastal locations. One such technology is a submersible aircraft. A submersible aircraft would combine the key capabilities of three different platforms: 1) the speed and range of an aircraft; 2) the loiter capabilities of a boat; and 3) the stealth of a submarine.
    The planned aerohydroplane is evidently intended to insert teams of amphibiously-inclined US Special Forces operators close in to hostile coasts, allowing them to swim ashore without the enemy being aware of their presence.

    This can already be done by deploying teams in minisubs from nuclear-powered sub motherships, but it can take quite a long time to get such a team in place. On the other hand, a fast-responding group arriving by parachute could expect to be detected by any target nation possessing radar.

    DARPA want the aerosubcraft to be able to fly a minimum of 1000 nautical miles in normal aeroplane style, then descend almost to the wave tops and travel a further 100 miles below the enemy radar horizon in "flight near the surface of the water which may or may not leverage the ground effect".

    Then, as the air/sea ship approaches line-of-sight to the enemy coast, it must plunge beneath the waves and achieve a further 12 miles submerged. The craft must be able to do the whole fly-skim-swim trip in eight hours. The eight passengers - one "boat crew" of Navy SEALs, presumably - can then get their black rubber on and do their thing, whatever it may be.

    Meanwhile, the aerosub must be able to lurk offshore for up to three days in moderately rough seas - though it is allowed to surface for this bit - before heading back in underwater to retrieve the SEALs. Then it must get back to base the way it came in, all without refuelling.

    As to depth, DARPA only want enough to be stealthy. No actual depth figure is set. The Pentagon notioneers emphasise that this is a submerging aircraft, not a flying U-boat:

    While it is hard to envision a propulsion system that could ever get a craft with the weight of a submarine airborne, it may be possible to submerge an extremely buoyant platform like an aircraft if the operating depths can be minimized... DARPA has analyzed the design space and relevant technologies and believes that by focusing the design on submerging an aircraft at shallow depths for a short period of time, a tractable solution to the submersible aircraft challenge problem might be possible.
    The idea isn't quite as far-fetched as it seems. Shallow depth would allow designers to dispense with a heavy pressure hull and keep the cabin at ambient pressure underwater; there are already relatively lightweight pleasure submarines like this, made of fibreglass or reinforced epoxy resin. The propulsion would be a big challenge - but it might be possible to get the submerged 12 miles from a reasonably sized battery pack, rechargeable using a snorkel by the flight-mode engines.

    Full details of the DARPA requirement are now available here (pdf).

    It's important to remember that few DARPA projects ever pan out, and those that do often develop in a way that the agency didn't expect - IP networking, for instance, which turned into a hugely successful method of porn distribution well before the military started using it seriously. Even so, there now seems to be some hope of a real-world air-sub craft along the lines of that flown by bluescreen temptress Angelina Jolie in Sky Captain and the World of Tomorrow; albeit a transport rather than a fighter.

    Whether that makes the real world a better place or not is, as ever, a matter of perspective. ®

    *The Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency. Hey - it's the colonials' mad-professor bureau, they can spell it their way.
  • u-5075
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2003
    • 1134

    #2
    Three rather interesting articles below.

    http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20081006

    Three rather interesting articles below.

    http://www.coolest-gadgets.com/20081006 ... lying-sub/

    DARPA flexing it’s cool muscles again with flying sub

    According to the Giz, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA) is looking for proposals to build a submersible aircraft which can fly up to 1000 nautical miles, cruise 200 nm on the surface, and 24 nm under water. It also needs to have the ability to be “submersible ready” as it loiters in a condition known as sea-state five, in theater for up to three days. In addition, it would have to be capable of carrying a payload of up to 2000 pounds and up to a crew of 8. It could be used for rescue operations, such as this automatic model, as well as ferrying personnel and materiel into sensitive areas. Then there’s the covert possibilities.



    The challenges are formidable. The Flying Sub (because face it, that’s what we’re all thinking) has to be light enough and aerodynamic enough to get airborne, but still have the ability to be water tight while underwater. That means more weight for ballast tanks, airlocks, etc.

    This isn’t the first time that someone has flirted with this idea. In fact, the idea was first tried by the Japanese in World War II when they created a gigantic submarine with a waterproof hangar which held up to three specially designed float plane fighter bombers. The idea was to use it to bomb the Panama Canal and prolong the war. And the Navy was working in the 50s on jet fighter which could land in the water. And there’s even talk that the Navy’s F35 could be adapted to submarine life with its vertical take off and landing capability with the idea of having submersible aircraft carriers. But in this age where the threat is far more elusive, the idea of a multi-billion dollar project like this wouldn’t be too popular in Congress.

    But still, in this age of carbon fiber and tinier and tinier electronics, if anyone can make this bad boy work, it could be an amazing advancement in technologies for covert operations. Not to mention the cool factor of life imitating art.

    Now all we need is a “Seaview” class sub to transport it anywhere in the world and we’d be living in Irwin Allen’s world.



    http://gizmodo.com/5059668/darpa-workin ... air-to-sea

    This is another interesting article with a with a good computer graphics video, about 7 minutes long.



    http://www.waterufo.net/flyingsubs/Navy ... bHtml1.htm

    An older article, basically consists of a couple of articles that came out in the early/mid 1960's.

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