Pakistan will have air independent propulsion subs.

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  • u-5075
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2003
    • 1134

    #1

    Pakistan will have air independent propulsion subs.

    http://www.strategypage.com/htmw/htsub/ ... 70518.aspx

    Get By With A Little Help From The Enemy

    May 18, 2007]Pakistan is equipping some of its Agosta 90Bs with an AIP (air independent propulsion) system. This enables the sub to stay under longer, thus making the sub harder to find. AIP allows the sub to travel under water for 4-5 days at low speed (5-10 kilometers an hour). The Pakistanis are exercising their option to retrofit AIP in two of their Agostas.[/u]

    Indias problem is that is has ordered six Talwar class frigates from Russia, at a cost of $500 million each. These are export versions of the Russian Krivak III class ships, which the Russian navy cannot afford to buy for itself. The first three Talwars entered service in 2003-4. There were some teething problems with these ships, the first of a new class. But the Indians were finally satisfied, when Russia made good all deficiencies, and ordered three more. But there was one major shortcoming with the Talwars, the Indian supplied sonars are not working.

    The Talwar's are 386 feet long, carry 24 anti-aircraft and eight anti-ship missiles, four torpedo tubes, as well as a 100mm gun, close in anti-missile guns, a helicopter, anti-submarine weapons (depth charges and missiles). The ship has a very complete set of electronics gear, except for the missing Indian sonar. There is a crew of 180.

    It gets worse. The Ilyushin-38 maritime patrol aircraft, that are being upgraded by their manufacturer in Russia, are returning to service without the Indian supplied anti-ship missiles, torpedoes, sonobuoys and electronics that were ordered six years ago.

    Once more, India has been shortchanged by its own government owned defense manufacturers. This was a dirty little secret, within the government, for over a decade. But now the details are getting out, and the situation is pretty dismal. So far, the best the government can do is buy foreign replacements. Reforming the government operations has, so far, proven impossible.
  • u-5075
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2003
    • 1134

    #2
    I came across this detailed

    I came across this detailed review of air independent propulsion options.

    http://www.chinfo.navy.mil/navpalib/cno ... ulsion.htm

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    • hakkikt
      Junior Member
      • Jun 2006
      • 246

      #3
      Looks like the role of

      Looks like the role of the nuclear sub as queen of the seas is subject to serious challenge.
      The above article does not mention Russian subs, but from what can be gathered on the net, the Russian AIP system is also based on fuel cells, and retrofits of Kilos are possible. If that is true, then conventional subs with AIP will roam the Persian Gulf before long - Iran will not miss that opportunity. Interesting times are ahead for surface fighting vessels.

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      • novagator
        SubCommittee Member
        • Aug 2003
        • 820

        #4
        Should makes things interesting with

        Should makes things interesting with China too in the Tiawan strait.

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