USS Memphis Torpedoed the Kursk?! - Revisting the Kursk theories?!

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  • slats
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2003
    • 170

    #1

    USS Memphis Torpedoed the Kursk?! - Revisting the Kursk theories?!

    [color=#000080]Hi guys,
    last Saturday night (24 Sep) in Australia a program on the SBS network called “As it happened” was shown. This was a hour long program reiterating what conspiracy theorists mooted for sometime, that is the Kursk’s fate involved a minor collision with the USS Toledo and a premptive defensive strike from the USS Memphis via a Mk48 torpedo.

    This whole program’s intent was to try an uncover why it took the Russian Navy so long to locate and attempt a rescue of the Kursk given she went down in such shallow water that if raised on her nose (or what was left of it) 39% of the submarine would have cleared the surface of the water. In fact you could clearly see her from a low flying aircraft. The program also sought to explain why repeated offers from the West to help in a rescue were rejected by the Russians.

    For those not in the know, the official finding of fact about the Kursk was a burst Hydrogen-peroxide ("High Test Peroxide" or HTP) line in a torpedo aboard the Kursk, reacted with surrounding metals causing an exponential build up of gases inside the torpedos casing and this rapidly expanding gas blew apart the torpedo casing, started a fire in the torpedo room, and the fire out of control cooked off the torpedos in the room, blowing the front end literally off the sub. Hydrogen-peroxide powered torpedoes were abandoned by the West in the 1950’s for the inherit dangers of leaking HTP reacting with surrounding metals. The Soviet Navy and later the Russian Navy I understand have only just abandoned the use of this fuel source.

    Previous examples of problems in the West with HTP include the sinking of the HMS Sidon on June 16, 1955 ]



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  • casey thrower
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2003
    • 280

    #2
    Had the Kursk been torpedoed

    Had the Kursk been torpedoed every ship within miles would have heard the launch transients, the torpedo running in, and the seeker go active. The Kursk itself would have detected it and taken evasive action and/or launched countermeasures. Every disaster has conspiracy theories but none which are logical.

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    • Guest

      #3
      It also confuses me how

      It also confuses me how could the ships taking part in the exercise not hear a foreign torpedo launch?
      Ok, one might say that in the miriad of sounds caused by the participants (ships cruising at diffrent speeds, a lot of overhead activity as well, etc.) USS Memphis' launch might be have been confused with another Russian boat practice launch against Peter the Great cruiser or any other taget designated ship.
      It's also known that "Karelia" a DELTA-IV boomer was some 17 nm from Kursk, being shaken greatly by the explosions. Yet, her skipper didn't think that was reason enough for extending his radio mast and communicating the incident to the Fleet Headquarters, believing that it was a exercise related weapon test, perhaps a depth charge. But nothing was he reported of aquiring on his passive arrays the sounds of a foreign homing torpedo!
      I say that either what was printed about the Kursk's sinking at the time was heavily biased by the official statements OR there is lots of facts that are still shrouded in secrecy!

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      • chuck chesney
        Junior Member
        • Mar 2005
        • 176

        #4
        It sounds to like that

        It sounds to like that TV program should have started out with "once upon a time"... An act of war (U.S. sub torpedoing the Kursk) would have had far greater ramifications than the writing off of debts or the making of loans.
        It sounds like a fairy tale.

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        • anonymous

          #5
          Fairy Tale. The media never

          Fairy Tale. The media never checks sources anymore do they?

          Steve Reichmuth

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          • thordesign
            Junior Member
            • Feb 2003
            • 343

            #6
            Did Dan Rather write this???

            Did Dan Rather write this???

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            • walt
              Junior Member
              • Oct 2005
              • 7

              #7
              Hi all,
              My first post here..

              Hi all,
              My first post here.. I do hope that this post is not an indication of intellegence level of posters LOL. The USS Toledo was in the Indian Ocean when the Kursk blew herself up.
              If I remember correctly this is the show that was thrown together by a French Team..If it is then there goes your proof.
              BTW the skipper of the Toledo is an acquaintance of mine.
              Now what happened to the K-129 is another story??????
              Only the crew of the 579 know for sure??

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              • skip asay
                Junior Member
                • Feb 2003
                • 247

                #8
                Is that the same French

                Is that the same French team that says 9/11 was actually a US plot?

                Skip Asay

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                • anonymous

                  #9
                  That's it Skip. and we

                  That's it Skip. and we never landed on the Moon either. HA!!

                  Poppy cock!

                  Steve

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                  • tmsmalley
                    SubCommittee Member
                    • Feb 2003
                    • 2376

                    #10
                    Walt -
                    The color of

                    Walt -
                    The color of your posts makes them very difficult to read. If you would like to change it here are the steps]http://www.subcommittee.com/forum/icon_lol.gif[/img]

                    PS - all these steps makes it seem difficult but it took longer for me to type it than it will take you to change your post color!

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                    • walt
                      Junior Member
                      • Oct 2005
                      • 7

                      #11
                      Thank You Tim, I think

                      Thank You Tim, I think this may be better. Funny my nickname in the Navy was Smiley....

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