I'd like to share some ideas that worked for my GATO

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  • daveee
    Junior Member
    • Jan 2006
    • 47

    #1

    I'd like to share some ideas that worked for my GATO

    First, thanks to you who have shared your knowledge with myself and others. Without this forum, this project couldn't have happened, and I wouldn't have had so much fun with all these challenges.

    The sub is working pretty good!
    -To get it to fully surface I had to relieve as much weight from above the water line as possible. This included thinning the plastic in the deck and cutting out much more of the hull super structure. The photos show the results.
    -The two bladder idea really helps this model in that it now surfaces and dives evenly, plus the flotation is kept just below the water line where it needs to be.
    -The hull cutout is large but doesn't seem to mind at all.
    -The RCABS-R did make a positive difference in flotation volume. The fact that the entire WTC is pressurized works just fine. The little pump only exerts 7 psi max and doesn't even come close to blowing the 1" diameter top switch hatch off. I came up with a very simple method of holding the WTC ends on using stainless safety wire.
    -I haven't tried a torpedo in the pool yet but the trigger mechanism seems to work just fine at the bench. I installed clippard check valves in the torpedo charging line which greatly simplified the whole torpedo charging exercise. No clumsy shrader valves.
    -I got frustrated with trying to neatly fit everything into the 2 1/4" WTC but solved the problem by buying a thin 1/16" lexan tube that just fits
    inside the WTC tube. I machined the front cap to glue this tube to it, then proceeded to cut the top half of the tube off creating a tray that everything attaches to, or lays in. Now I am waiting for new servo wire ends to come in the mail in order to shorten or lengthen various wires to truly neaten it up. The lexan tray wants to shrink so I left two rings along its length to keep its shape.
    -As for the deck trapping air and surface tension, pool tests revealed that some forward motion did wash away the trapped air and truly made it dive realistically. (To my eye anyway).
    -To trim the model, first I balanced it to dive slightly nose down, Second I moved the bladders to bring it up slightly nose up, Third I juggled weight and flotation to get it to surface at about the correct attitude.
    -There is more to solve but the test results make me a happy man.
    Can't wait to try it up north, at night...

    I am proud of my first sub and hope sharing my ideas doesn't seem arrogant.

    Dave E

















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  • daveee
    Junior Member
    • Jan 2006
    • 47

    #2
    Adding a couple of images
    http://upload8.postimage.org/696588/DSCF0557.jpg

    http://upload8.postimage.org/696604/DSCF0558.jpg

    Adding a couple of images


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    • daveee
      Junior Member
      • Jan 2006
      • 47

      #3
      Bladder

      I used two 88-BLAD-PED from www.safetystore.com/medanerparts.asp . $7.95 each.
      ~6 1/2" x 3 1/4"

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      • mylo
        Junior Member
        • Aug 2005
        • 723

        #4
        Have you factored in the

        Have you factored in the effect the addition of the conning tower is going to have ? Without it, it looks like you have it real nice.

        Sharing ideas is key to the evolution of the hobby.

        Mylo

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        • daveee
          Junior Member
          • Jan 2006
          • 47

          #5
          The inner WTC tube

          I now have a picture to explain the tube with-in a tube.

          As well, here is a shot at night. The 4 super bright LED's on the bottom of the hull truly light up the entire end of the pool. It doesn't show in the pic because without the flash you only see the white dots and with the flash you see this. Trust me they work well. The smaller LED on top is always on and is very bright at night.

          I welcome any questions as I would like to share what I can. I haven't seen any other finished GATO's yet. Is there a better place to post this kind of stuff?



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          • liftmys10
            Junior Member
            • Nov 2004
            • 147

            #6
            Nice job! Can you list

            Nice job! Can you list what you used? Who makes that WTC? I just purchased my revell gato but havent decided which WTC to put in. ANy pictures of how you made the rudder and planes work?

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            • daveee
              Junior Member
              • Jan 2006
              • 47

              #7
              I made my own WTC

              I made my own WTC because there wasn't one available at the time however there are at least two suppliers (All great guys) on this site.
              Mine is plexi tube 2 1/4" OD x ~ 14" long plus a 6" long 2"OD stern section built to Dave Welch's plans. (The 6" section was originally meant to go into a Revell VIIc which got canned when the larger Gato kit arrived) The WTC is about 45 cubic inch capacity.
              The electric motors are tiny but have a low gear ratio so I put 30mm props on rather than the 35mm that seems to be popular. The sub only needs 1/2 throttle.
              The bow planes work via a push-pull rather than a torque tube, it seemed simpler. See pic.
              Changing to a RCABS-R ballast system and using the 2 bags really made the thing work!
              There are many GATO posts here that show ways to do the rudder / planes etc.

              Correct me if I am wrong but a Nuclear Type Sub without a deck and guns etc would be a much simpler first submarine. It would not need so much ballast in order to raise so much superstructure above the water and keeping the C of G low would be easy.


              Dave





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              • skiprch
                Junior Member
                • Jul 2007
                • 27

                #8
                Hi Davee,
                I have a Gato

                Hi Davee,
                I have a Gato also. Couple of questions. What hull mfg. is it and do your bow planes work? I bought mine right after Engel came out with the the improved hull. Their bow planes were fixed but came up with retracting planes. It was tuff but cool as heck. I got it with the piston ballast system that I removed and went with the RCABS. Works great. I have a problem on mine though and she is in the refit mode I still have the original back bulk head in place and made a water tight compartment using the bulk head with the motors and gear reduction from the original build up. My problem is that the propulsion shaft seal design from Engel failed and trashed my motors. I am now looking for some shaft seals in a 4mm size as everything is metric. Looking forward to sharing info with you!
                Thanks, Walt

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                • tabledancer
                  Junior Member
                  • Feb 2005
                  • 573

                  #9
                  Dave,
                  Colud you please tell me

                  Dave,
                  Colud you please tell me how much weight you added for ballast.I am running one of Big Daves systems and I would like to get a starting point when I finally get to to trimming part of this. Thanks in advance.
                  TD

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                  • daveee
                    Junior Member
                    • Jan 2006
                    • 47

                    #10
                    Tabledancer
                    I never weighed the lead,

                    Tabledancer
                    I never weighed the lead, or anything else. I used a bar of lead from an electronics supplier, about 14" long x 3/4" x 1/2", gooped to the keel fore and aft of the bladders.

                    SkipperCH
                    This is just a Revell 52" plastic display model. The bow planes do work.

                    I just got home from the lake and attached some (poor) pics.

                    The model works great but takes a lot of space to turn. I'm thinking it would be beneficial to have placed the lead as close as possible to the C of G in order to let it turn easier.

                    As my first experience in open water I found a constant demand to adjust ballast or dive trim to keep it at periscope depth. Is that normal or does the APC-4 need to be turned up to maximum???

                    If I ever build another sub, it will be much bigger so as to not limit what you can do inside it.

                    Thanks, Dave








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                    • bigdave
                      Junior Member
                      • Feb 2003
                      • 3596

                      #11
                      Nice job Dave. http://www.subcommittee.com/forum/icon_biggrin.gif
                      Looks

                      Nice job Dave.
                      Looks great!!
                      TD- I added 34 OZ to my boat. It is in the ballasting instructions. BD.
                      sigpic"Eat your pudding Mr Land"
                      "I ain't sure it's pudden" 20K

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                      • tabledancer
                        Junior Member
                        • Feb 2005
                        • 573

                        #12
                        Thanks Dave,
                        I`ve got so much

                        Thanks Dave,
                        I`ve got so much going on around here I don`t know if I`m coming or going,I should have read the instructions fully. That just proves the old saying of "read the instructions when all else fails""rite!!!!!!!!!


                        Thanks again guys.
                        TD

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                        • daveee
                          Junior Member
                          • Jan 2006
                          • 47

                          #13
                          If it helps, I weighed

                          If it helps, I weighed the whole thing and it is 6.75 lbs or 3.07 kg. Looks like I actually used 2 feet of that lead bar.
                          The WTC is actually 16" @ 2.25" dia + 6" @ 2.00" dia outside dimensions. If I were to do it again, I would make it ~ 2" longer to get more air volume.

                          Big Dave, thanks for your help with that air pump and all the valuable info in your VIIc kit.

                          Thanks, Little Dave

                          When will there be a regatta in southern Ontario?

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                          • bigdave
                            Junior Member
                            • Feb 2003
                            • 3596

                            #14
                            Your welcome Dave. I am

                            Your welcome Dave. I am glad it was usefull.
                            Hey TD!!
                            Sounds familiar.
                            Just think, soon we can get some R/R at the regatta. BD.
                            sigpic"Eat your pudding Mr Land"
                            "I ain't sure it's pudden" 20K

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                            • Guest

                              #15
                              Gato Build

                              Thanks Dave for posting pics, and all the input, very helpful. BTW, the pics turned out great, and the boat looks impressive as well. Al,

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