Bellows vs bag or piston?

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  • danl
    Junior Member
    • Oct 2006
    • 39

    #1

    Bellows vs bag or piston?

    This is a copy of a post I put on another sub forum - not familiar yet with the amount of crossover, so please let me know if this is not a good practice

    New to subs, so perhaps an old question about using bellows.
    A piston system requires much energy to compress the air, to overcome the friction of the o-ring sealing on the cylinder, and to overcome the friction in the mechanical drive. Potential for leakage at the seals exists because of the high air pressure on that side of the cylinder. (Or low pressure if a vacuum is pulled)
    A bellows provides a complete seal, has no seal friction (no moving o-ring seal) and if activated by a precision positive displacement pump, perhaps with two speeds for coarse and fine adjustment - offers precise volume adjustment with high mechanical efficiency. Potential for leakage across the bellows is minimized because water pressure on the pump fed side is equal to the compressed air pressure. The bellows is like a bag or BP cuff, but gives much better and more repeatable geometry control of the displaced volume. Also, the maximum bellows volume can easily be controlled by a stop ring in the cylinder or the bellows itself can mechanically activate a relief valve at the point of desired maximum travel.
    Also, two bellows - fore and aft - could be operated by one pump, as pressure equilibration would ensure equal volumes of displacement in both bellows. Neoprene bellows are relatively cheap, come in various diameters and many lengths and could be custom fit better than innertubes and BP cuffs.
    Just a rookie, but it seems a bellows provides some of the better features of both bag and piston systems, but I don't see mention of this approach when I do searches.
    Thoughts?
  • tmsmalley
    SubCommittee Member
    • Feb 2003
    • 2376

    #2
    Hi Dan -
    My favorite European

    Hi Dan -
    My favorite European RC sub site (by Pierre Yerokine in Marseille France) shows schematics of several different types of ballast systems compared - including using pistons/syringes/and bellows. It might give you some more to think about.

    The particular page is at http://pyerok.club.fr/Ballast_EV.htm





    If you back out to his home page and get to the French version - go to the bottom right side where you will see a little British flag. Click on that and you will get to the English language version of all his pages.

    Tim

    NOTE - An article from Dan L will be appearing in the upcoming SubCommittee REPORT magazine. Dan has designed a very simple and reliable leak detector utilizing a Darlington transistor that shold be a boon to those of us with leaky WTCs.

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    • anonymous

      #3
      Bellows have been used a

      Bellows have been used a bit in the UK. I've seen designs using the easily available bellows from car accessory shops (Rubber steering gaiters etc.)

      They can be crushed at substantial depths.

      David

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      • danl
        Junior Member
        • Oct 2006
        • 39

        #4
        Tim,
        Thanks for the link to

        Tim,
        Thanks for the link to the French site.

        Also - Thanks for the design credit, but the circuit for the leak detector is an old, very common sensor circuit. Creative placement of the sensor contacts and the ability to use numerous sensors with one circuit makes it useful for subs.

        Dan

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