Kilo Motor Retrofit. - For 1/144 Kilo kit.

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  • bigdave
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2003
    • 3596

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    Kilo Motor Retrofit. - For 1/144 Kilo kit.


    This is a retrofit motor installation on the Kilo WTC kit that I manufacture. Not being able to acquire the Mini-Maxon motor any more, I had to come up with an alternative.
    I was successfully able to install a Speed 280 motor, but it was a very tight fit and there was no room for error in the installation. It was also way to powerful and drew do much current to get any run time. I was lucky if I got 10-15 minutes. That is compared to the 2-3 HR I got with the Maxon. But for those 10-15 minutes it was an underwater cruse missile.
    On the other hand the Maxon although being very efficient was never a speed demon. What I have come up with is a best of both worlds kind of thing. You are able to get about a 1 HR run time and still have power to hall-### if you so desire.
    This installation uses a GWS motor gearbox like the one used in my Type V11c conversion. There are actually two different motors that can be installed in the same gearbox. The smaller one gives good speed, and the larger one gives Warp-Speed! The installation is the same for both, and they can be changed back and forth very easily.

    RXC Light Power System (GW/LPS-RXC-CS) This is the higher power.

    B2C Light Power System (GW/LPS-B2C-CS) This is the lower power.


    The gearbox main shaft will have to be modified to 1/8” OD to work with the Subtech output seal.
    This is an easy job done with K&S brass tubing with an OD of 1/8” and an ID of 1/16”. The tubing is drilled out with a 2 MM drill and slid over the output shaft and cemented with medium CA.
    The main shaft has to exit the center of the end cap so a 1/8” hole is drilled dead center. Now you can install the main shaft into the 1/8” hole and mark out for the gearbox mounting holes.
    You will see the two bottom holes are to close to the main o-ring seal to drill and tap these holes. You will have to make and install an adapter to lift the gearbox up approximately ¼” so the holes can be drilled and tapped.
    I just cut this out of scrap plastic in a crescent shape and glued it to the end cap. I then drilled and tapped my four mounting holes for 2/56” screws. The two top screws use K&S tubing standoffs cut to the thickness of the plastic crescent shaped adapter.

    All that is left to do is open up the 1/8” hole to ¼” for the Subtech seal then countersink the outside of the cap 1/2” down to 1/4” depth. This sets the seal closer to the gearbox so the main shaft will have enough length to pass through and be able to mount the u-joint.
    The servo output seals are added to the end cap on either side of the main shaft output. This simple text and the photos should be enough for you to complete the instillation, but if you have questions email me.
    I am placing the one photo in the this posting but there are more in my member homepage. Dave.




    Edited By Bigdave on 1135884168
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  • turbobearcat
    Junior Member
    • Apr 2003
    • 404

    #2
    Dave if that is the

    Dave if that is the same motor I think it is, it's being used in my S100 Schnellboot! it's a small motor but winds up pretty high from what I can hear

    Are you selling the end caps for those still?

    If so and I buy the gear set, can you mount it for me?


    Mark

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    • seahorse
      SubCommittee Member
      • Mar 2005
      • 320

      #3
      BD, I installed the new

      BD, I installed the new motor in the Kilo and I gave her a few spins. This new motor is about a 200% improvement and she really cranks! Thanks again for all your help !



      Edited By SeaHorse on 1135986684

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      • chips
        Member
        • Feb 2003
        • 494

        #4
        If you order the drive

        [color=#000000]If you order the drive units from HobbyTown USA, the product ID numbers are]

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        • bigdave
          Junior Member
          • Feb 2003
          • 3596

          #5
          I just wanted to add

          I just wanted to add that after more testing I would not recommend the lower power motor. Although it works I have found that it is really to small for this much load and will wear out more quickly. I would stick to the higher power (GW/LPS-RXC-CS). I have put many hours on these in my V11c with no problems. BD
          Here you can see the size difference. The little N-20 motor is very powerful for it's size, but just won't last under the load like the 180 will.




          Edited By Bigdave on 1138645076
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          • turbobearcat
            Junior Member
            • Apr 2003
            • 404

            #6
            I was using the larger

            I was using the larger motor in my S100 boat..note "WAS"
            until it quit running...when I opened the boat I found the back part of the motor was melted and it took out my ES-01 esc... thank God I have spare esc for the boat..so now I'm using the metal cased motors I find in CD players.. good speed and better made..

            I'm goign to order the high power one for my Kilo.. but Dave.. can you sell me a new cap..I'm sure mine is not repairable...

            Mark

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            • bigdave
              Junior Member
              • Feb 2003
              • 3596

              #7
              Hi Mark,
              Were you running

              Hi Mark,
              Were you running the motor direct drive or geared? If you burned it up and the ESC you were drawing way too much current. That is the only way I have killed them in my airplanes, (overproping them). To much load on the motor! The ES-01 is capable of handling more power than the 180 will need so if it died as well you were drawing well over the rated output. Email me and I will send you a new end cap and the upgraded CD. I will only charge you postage. Thanks, BD.
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              • turbobearcat
                Junior Member
                • Apr 2003
                • 404

                #8
                Hi Mark,
                Were you running

                Hi Mark,
                Were you running the motor direct drive or geared? If you burned it up and the ESC you were drawing way too much current. That is the only way I have killed them in my airplanes, (overproping them). To much load on the motor! The ES-01 is capable of handling more power than the 180 will need so if it died as well you were drawing well over the rated output. Email me and I will send you a new end cap and the upgraded CD. I will only charge you postage. Thanks, BD.
                I use direct drive Dave, the S100 is too small for a gearbox... but I found a better motor to use and I can live with it, my second S100 is getting the same setup so we shall see how that works out with the correct props that I ordered back in Dec05'

                Funny thing about the ES-01, I tried to run a 1.5-3V motor on it and by the time I got to half speed it started to freak out. remove the load and it would rev like no tommorow.
                I tried a different motor with higher voltage rating it it would run the range with a load and the es-01 was happy..

                what gives there?

                The ES-01 is rated for 3.5amps and the small motors are rated for like .9 amps..so I should be burning those cheap motors up but I figured the motor seized due to running it too hard, that day was the most full open throatle I got to run on the boat and it looks really good on video!

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                • bigdave
                  Junior Member
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 3596

                  #9
                  I don't think the ES-01

                  I don't think the ES-01 is rated for a voltage that low. That’s why it would not work at 3 volts. BD.
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