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[color=#000000]Gentlemen,
may be some of You still heard about that. Here in Germany some people build the 209 class in scale 1]
may be some of You still heard about that. Here in Germany some people build the 209 class in scale 1]
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Just for starters...will dig more.
Just for starters...will dig more. Pleased to help Lothar, you have been a big help in my projects. Pleased to return any favor.
"sketch of exakt THOSE boats". You mean plans?
Steve Reichmuth
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Fantastic photos.
Chilean Navy http://www.subcommittee.com/forum/icon_question.gif Didn't
Fantastic photos.
Chilean Navy
Didn't know there was such a thing. How in the world can those folks afford a sub ?
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Dear Steve,
a smilar drawing would
Dear Steve,
a smilar drawing would be enaugh. The guys who are building Simpson and Thompson will use the forms of the brazilian boats others still made]www.sonar-ev.de[/url]
But the chile boats are a bit shorter. So something has to be changed....but what exactly?
Dear Mylo]http://www.subcommittee.com/forum/icon_smile.gif[/img] By the way, the boats are from HDW in Germany. The Type of submarine is the most successfull design in the western world. Nearly all countrys in south america have boats of different Class 209 boats.
At the moment the chilenean Navy gets two brand new Scorpene boats from DCN in France/Spain.
GotlandComment
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I'm a little bit surprised
[color=#000000]I'm a little bit surprised by Mylo's ignorance. He is not questioning the submarine force of Chile but her whole navy. The question should be]Comment
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Still searching Lothar for a
Still searching Lothar for a drawing. I would have thought drawings on your end would be easier to get, as the boats were built at HDW. The difference between the 1400 and the 1300 series I believe could be tonnage? The chart below seems to match them on the tree as the same generally. The Chilean boats may have a similar profile, but one less hull section midships? Would they be similar in general configuration to the South Korean Chang Bogo class (209-1200). HDW tailors each 209 export design to (sensors, weapons, equipment) packages to each customer. The 209 series is the most exported sub design in the world. I have a drawing of a Brazilian 209-1400. Could you use this with photos to determine your answer in the meantime? Looking at the photos, these Chilean boats look emaculately maintained.
Steve Reichmuth
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You are right Steve,
these boats
You are right Steve,
these boats from Chile were built direct before the boats for Brazil. So they are very similar. That's why I am looking for an easy sketch, because we will use the same molds for bow, tower and stern. I believe we have omly to change the deck a little bit. Thats why the two points I described above are so important for me. I am the drawing maker for my friends. But let's wait a little bit, may be some day somebody finds something in his archive..... The 209/1400 is documented good enaugh for a model, as You may have seen on the model-picture.
But Steve, be sure it's sometimes easyer for You from US to get something from HDW, than for me from Germany
Regards
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Hi Steve,
I would love to
Hi Steve,
I would love to have those drawings of the Brazilean 209s! Any chance?
What about the plans of the Turkish Preveze class? They are 209/1400 they don't match the chilean or Brazilean 209s?
IMHO They are longer and the sail is angled athe the back, but maybe they can be used as a guideline]http://www.heiszwolf.com/subs/plans/Preveze_class.jpg[/url]Comment
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Also the tower is'nt
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Also the tower is'nt only angled at the stern. The tower of the turkish and South-African boats is anled at all sides like a Gotland tower
So this plans are not very usefull....
Sorry, but thanks for the idea.
GotlandComment
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Lothar,
Emailed you the Brazilian
Lothar,
Emailed you the Brazilian 209-1400 drawing in Auto Cad 14 (dwg) format last night. Did you get it? Opinion? Based on your expertise differentiating between the various boats, perhaps this drawing could provide a solid basis for a new revised drawing by you of the Chilean boats? I like the 209 -1400's. Efficient design, small, yet still spacious inside. Easily adapatble to AIP (fuel Cells) too. They always build gute Boote in Germany.
Steve Reichmuth
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Got it Steve,
but I'll send
[color=#000000]Got it Steve,
but I'll send You my cad drawings about 209/1400 You will see the difference. The Deck is not this flat as aon Your drawing.
Looks to me like I have to make another "reconstruction from pictures". I'll keep You informed about the progress.
Well.... germans build gute Boote..... Thes 209 subs are in my opinion not bad, but not the highest level in submarine design. For me they are a little bit like Volkswagen in submarines. Reliable, strong, but easy to maintain and to run.
The modells are are also good running boats. Not perfect fast and manoeuvrable as for example swedish design, but without the feeling You have a "Diva" in the water. That's why I like to give these boats in the hand of beginners in our 1]Comment
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Gotland,
In the same line as
[color=#000000]Gotland,
In the same line as your comments]Comment
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Thes 209 subs are in
[color=#000000]Thes 209 subs are in my opinion not bad, but not the highest level in submarine design. For me they are a little bit like Volkswagen in submarines. Reliable, strong, but easy to maintain and to run.
The modells are are also good running boats. Not perfect fast and manoeuvrable as for example swedish design, but without the feeling You have a "Diva" in the water. That's why I like to give these boats in the hand of beginners in our 1]Comment
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Gotland--
Perhaps I can help. I
Gotland--
Perhaps I can help. I found plans and sections a while back on a website I've long forgotten. I did save the plans though. Let me know how to email them to you.
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Mike,
Try]info@sonar-ev.de to contact me.
Gotland
Mike,
Try]info@sonar-ev.de[/email] to contact me.
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