An Unconventional Skipjack Build

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  • SteveT44
    Junior Member
    • Jul 2020
    • 23

    #1

    An Unconventional Skipjack Build

    OK, here's the start of my first RC sub build thread. This will be a conversion of the Moebius 1:72 Skipjack kit. This is going to be unconventional in that I don't plan on using a water tight cylinder (WTC). The plan is for a free flooding model that will use parts from my warship combat parts bin to fabricate a CO2 ballast system. Electronics, servo's, and everything else will be individually waterproofed. Propulsion will be a 755 brushed motor direct driving the prop. The motor may or may not be waterproofed (haven't decided yet). Lets get started.


    Bonding the bottom sections:

    It's common knowledge that the hull sections of this kit are anything but round when they come out of the box. I wanted to address this before gluing the two bottom sections together. I temporally hot glued a 124mm diameter half frame into the aft section to get this section into the correct shape. I didn't permanently bond this frame in place because I haven't decided on the final frame design yet.




    When I placed the aft section flat on a flat surface, and then placed the front section over it. I figured out that pressing down on the front section draws the piece into shape. To hold it in shape, I hot glued bits of scrap onto the bench. Here we see the bits holding the bow section tight and flat to the bench and giving a nice snug fit to the aft section at the mid point.




    The aft section is taped to the bench to hold it in position for the glue-up.




    Testor's red is spread on the inside of the joint of the bow piece...




    ... and then the bow is lowered over the aft piece and snapped into the holding pieces on the bench. A clamp is used to draw the sides in tight and a lead weight to gravity assist the clamping from above. This is left to cure overnight.




    The next morning, a single bottom piece. At this point I decided to see how accurate the glue-up was. I strung a line from bow to stern ...




    ... and found out the mid point is almost 1/8" off center, bummer.





    Investigating further, I marked lines on the bench and determined that the stern is almost 1/4" from where it should be. The red lines on this pic are where the hull sits naturally if the lead weight wasn't there.




    Checking further, I determined that the aft sections are relatively straight. It's actually the bow section that is skewed to starboard.




    I can live with a bit of error in the bow section. The framing system I'm melding into the hull requires straight sections in the aft two thirds of the model. Speaking of framing, since I won't have a WTC to mount the systems to, I need something else instead.



    Frame System:

    What I came up with is three frames cut on my CNC that precisly mounts a section of aluminum angle into the hull. The systems will be mounted to the angle.




    In the warship combat hobby, I originated the use of 24v power systems. Not just 24v though, but 24v from power tool batteries. I power all my surface models with them and I figure I'd give it a go with the sub.




    In the center of the hull, will be mounted a 4oz paintball CO2 tank. Attached to the tank is a 145psi pressure regulator and solenoid valve commonly used in warship combat for powering bb cannons. There will be a removable 500ml (or so) ballast tank that will fit over the CO2 tank and valving.




    Behind the ballast section will be the drive motor and servo's.




    That's it for now...
    Attached Files
  • coryhenry
    Member
    • Jun 2020
    • 107

    #2
    Interesting layout, I'm assuming the power will all be in the dry section of the hull?

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    • SteveT44
      Junior Member
      • Jul 2020
      • 23

      #3
      Originally posted by coryhenry View Post
      Interesting layout, I'm assuming the power will all be in the dry section of the hull?
      The only dry section of the hull will be the ballast tank when it's pressurized. Everything else will be free flooding.

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      • coryhenry
        Member
        • Jun 2020
        • 107

        #4
        How are you waterproofing the electronics?

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        • scott t
          Member
          • Feb 2003
          • 880

          #5
          Please don't electrocute yourself when you dump all this in the tub for testing!

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          • QuarterMaster
            No one
            • Jul 2003
            • 607

            #6
            Looking good Dude!

            Digging the approach man, make believers out of them!!
            v/r "Sub" Ed

            Silent Service "Cold War" Veteran (The good years!)
            NEVER underestimate the power of a Sailor who served aboard a submarine.
            USS ULYSSES S GRANT-USS SHARK-USS NAUTILUS-USS KEY WEST-USS KRAKEN-USS PATRICK HENRY-HMS VENGEANCE-U25-SSRN SEAVIEW-PROTEUS-NAUTILUS

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            • SteveT44
              Junior Member
              • Jul 2020
              • 23

              #7
              Originally posted by coryhenry View Post
              How are you waterproofing the electronics?
              I'll use methods that are tried and true in the RC warship combat hobby (were models are designed to sink). The boards will either get conformal coated in E6000 adhesive or completely potted in epoxy.

              This is a solenoid trigger board coated in E6000.

              Attached Files

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              • SteveT44
                Junior Member
                • Jul 2020
                • 23

                #8
                Originally posted by scott t View Post
                Please don't electrocute yourself when you dump all this in the tub for testing!
                This model will be safer than my wife's waterpick! ;-)

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                • scott t
                  Member
                  • Feb 2003
                  • 880

                  #9
                  That's what I thought... Now we're dipping and potting things. Curious to see your technique to water proof the battery. Always thought
                  those tool batteries might work for a boat. But that's me a lot of thought-ing and no doing. Watching with interest

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                  • salmon
                    Treasurer
                    • Jul 2011
                    • 2342

                    #10
                    remember these guidelines to help you design the ballast tank and trim of sub. Keep weight low in the sub and float high. Ballast near center of gravity or volume or somewhere in the middle to slightly forward of middle. Lastly majority of weight added should be kept under ballast tank. Keeping it there will help in turning and even dives while submerging. Weight forward and aft will make the sub stable as far as cutting through waves, but more effort to turn. Lastly, if you distribute along entire kee, itl will be a mix of stable and turning. Probably something you are aware of, maybe boats are the same.

                    Look forward to seeing what you do with this. Out of the box thinking is awesome, especially if it works, but also if it does not. I am hoping for it to work!
                    If you can cut, drill, saw, hit things and swear a lot, you're well on the way to building a working model sub.

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                    • coryhenry
                      Member
                      • Jun 2020
                      • 107

                      #11
                      The great thing is using paintball tank its easy to charge and holds larger volume. You said CO2, not compressed air?

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                      • bob the builder
                        Former SC President
                        • Feb 2003
                        • 1367

                        #12
                        I love seeing new thoughts and ideas tried out. Might work. Might not, but fascinating to see a new builder uncontaminated by conventional doctrine!

                        Keep it coming! (But don't electrocute yourself or blow yourself up!)

                        Bob
                        The Nautilus Drydocks - Exceptional Products for the World of R/C Submarines - www.nautilusdrydocks.com

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