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  • secrtwpn1
    SubCommittee Member
    • Feb 2003
    • 269

    #1

    Prop question

    While wiring up my motor on my 2.5" WTC, it appears to be faster in reverse. So, which direction does the shaft have to spin to go forward. Its for my Blueback....

    Thanks
    Farlan
  • Ralph --- SSBN 598
    Junior Member
    • Oct 2012
    • 1417

    #2
    One of my boats does the same thing.
    With Tx set at 100% forward and 100% reverse, the reverse is faster.
    The motor was too fast so I reset the Tx output to 60% forward and to get the same RPM in reverse, I think the reverse is set at 25%.

    As for which direction should the shaft turn to go forward, look at the propeller and see which way it needs to turn to push the boat forward.

    If you push the Tx stick away from you, and the propeller goes the wrong direction, reset the Tx by reversing the channel signal.
    Don't forget to reset the forward and reverse percentages as well.

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    • JWLaRue
      Managing Editor, SubCommittee Report
      • Aug 1994
      • 4281

      #3
      What brand/model of speed controller do you have? Some need to be set up with the transmitter to properly detect full forward and reverse. I'm not referring to which direction the motor turns for a given stick input, but whether to speed controller provides full power at either end of the stick throw.

      -Jeff
      Rohr 1.....Los!

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      • secrtwpn1
        SubCommittee Member
        • Feb 2003
        • 269

        #4
        Its an Mtronics speed controller.....I set it up per the instructions. Ralph, its not connected to a prop yet.....

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        • JWLaRue
          Managing Editor, SubCommittee Report
          • Aug 1994
          • 4281

          #5
          Okay...Mtronics ESC. What happens if you reverse the leads to the motor?

          When looking at the stern (bow pointed away from you), the direction you want the prop shaft to turn for forward is clockwise.

          -Jeff
          Rohr 1.....Los!

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          • subdude
            Official Peon
            • Feb 2003
            • 682

            #6
            Folks, please allow me to remind you that not all electric motors turn the same speed in both directions of rotation. If the commutator is "timed" to have a certain amount of advance when the brushes contact the commutator as compared to the moment when the armature windings are centered in the fields of the magnets, this results in a motor that is optimized for rotation in one direction. This is used primarily in motors designed for installation in R/C race cars, but can be found in other applications as well.

            The easiest way to see if this is what you are dealing with is to hook the motor directly to a battery. Then reverse the polarity (wires) and see if the motor spins the same speed in both directions.

            Mechanically, there is nothing you can do to change this short of rebuilding the armature. You can "compensate" for it by reducing the amount of radio input in the faster direction to make it seem more even.

            Jim
            Last edited by subdude; 02-04-2018, 12:18 PM.
            SubCommittee member #0069 (since the dawn of time.....)

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            • secrtwpn1
              SubCommittee Member
              • Feb 2003
              • 269

              #7
              Ok. Thanks for the info. The shaft spins clockwise...........

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              • cliffhanger67
                SubCommittee Member
                • Aug 2015
                • 34

                #8
                Originally posted by subdude View Post
                Folks, please allow me to remind you that not all electric motors turn the same speed in both directions of rotation. If the commutator is "timed" to have a certain amount of advance when the brushes contact the commutator as compared to the moment when the armature windings are centered in the fields of the magnets, this results in a motor that is optimized for rotation in one direction. This is used primarily in motors designed for installation in R/C race cars, but can be found in other applications as well.

                The easiest way to see if this is what you are dealing with is to hook the motor directly to a battery. Then reverse the polarity (wires) and see if the motor spins the same speed in both directions.

                Mechanically, there is nothing you can do to change this short of rebuilding the armature. You can "compensate" for it by reducing the amount of radio input in the faster direction to make it seem more even.

                Jim
                Would it then make sense to reverse the wires to put the faster rotation on forward if the propeller is so designed for that rotation? Thank you for this very valuable information as i have observed it on some of my motors and unhappily living with it.

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                • salmon
                  Treasurer
                  • Jul 2011
                  • 2342

                  #9
                  I would add that most subs are overpowered and you will be dialing back the amount of juice getting to the motor anyways. So, the amount going one way or the other is not a issue and you might be overthinking this. There might be a slight AMP usage difference as well, but again not really an issue with the power supplies we are putting into the wtc.
                  If you can cut, drill, saw, hit things and swear a lot, you're well on the way to building a working model sub.

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                  • JWLaRue
                    Managing Editor, SubCommittee Report
                    • Aug 1994
                    • 4281

                    #10
                    Originally posted by cliffhanger67 View Post
                    Would it then make sense to reverse the wires to put the faster rotation on forward if the propeller is so designed for that rotation?
                    You don't really have a choice here. The motor can only run in one direction to go forward for a given prop.

                    -Jeff
                    Rohr 1.....Los!

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