Sheerline

[Guest]

Hi all.

I was just wondering if anyone can remember when sheerline was in fact eden models ( dennis cater)

And if the Alfa / Losangeles Classes where scale or free scale???

I've been speaking to Chris regarding the old plugs
Chris produced an Alfa for a chap in norwich

Just hull and control surfaces.
No wtc supplied upto builder to produce own.
Prop etc might of been from George sitek but not sure.

Alfa is 80" x 9" if memory serves

los 103" x 10" ?? rough guess

Scale or not scale that is the question???

regards
adam

[peter w]

Hi Adam,

The Alfa and LA

Hi Adam,

The Alfa and LA were both listed in the Eden catalogue as 1/42 scale your sizes are about right. I bought a Trafalgar kit in 2001 from Sheerline and I am pretty sure that Eden went to Sheerline about 7-8 months before.

I still have the original Eden catalogue with all the prices and pictures any info you need and I can give is yours I may also be able to find out more precisely when the change over happened.

All the best,

Peter.

[Guest]

Thanks for the info Peter

Any

Thanks for the info Peter

Any chance you could maybe copy/scan pic's and info for Alfa and possibly email me???

If you can manage just pm me and ill pm back my mail add.

Regards

adam

[Guest]

Ramesh (Wheelerdealer) owns one of

Ramesh (Wheelerdealer) owns one of the LA class hulls, so he would be the best person to contact regarding authenticity.

The Alfa boat looks nicely done, in the photographs I've seen of it, but perhaps wouldn't satisfy someone who demands 100% scale authenticity?

[Guest]

Hi Andy thanks for info

Hi Andy thanks for info on wheeler dealer.

It's more the Alfa im interested in though.

Although i was going to build a hull from scratch i find myself not having enough time to do it working 24/7 for next few months

Anyone any idea on size of prop???

regards

adam

[Guest]

Dunno. But as the Norwich

Dunno. But as the Norwich show is this weekend, and I should be attending, if the boat is there, and it should be as I believe it belongs to the clubs Chairman, I will endeavour to find out some more information.

[Guest]

Andy

Top man any info would

Andy

Top man any info would be fantastic.

Maybe you could ask him where he purchased running gear from

and overall wtc size.

thanks again andy

adam

[Wheelerdealer]

I got a lot of

I got a lot of pictures of that Alfa at Norwich. It was sold on to an AMS member who sailed it successfully till the ESC gave up in a big way. The same sub is featured in the Traplet DVD-RC Submariner. I've got some more pic, I'll resize and upload them. As this hull was produced in the early 90's its probably based on the best information available at the time. So whilst its not true scale, its pretty close. Planes and such will need to be reworked if you want a true scale appearence. I think the running gear for Eden was made by Propshop.

The LA on the other hand is a fair representation of the flight one boats, there were plenty of fairly accurate plans available.

[Guest]

I had a good gande

I had a good gande at this boat. The dive module wasn't built by Sheerline or Eden, however it was built to their design type, as Chris Cloke (Sheerline no. 1) told me he advised on the design of the dive module.

I didn't have a tape measure or a rule with me, and couldn't procure one, but I estimate the pipe diameter somewhere between 150-200mm- it's a biggy. It was PVC tubing used for the module.

The rest of the running gear was custom made. The prop looked liem it was fabricated from separate pieces and then brazed together.

Would make a good novelty canoe.

I dare say it will make a an appearance at one of the Brockwell Lido runs in October or November, so we might be able to get some video of it running then.

[Wheelerdealer]

A short vid of the

A short vid of the Alfa and internals

[Guest]

Thanks guys.

Andy any hint a

Thanks guys.

Andy any hint a size of prop??

Ramesh. How inaccurate are the planes?? decent set of plans and some resin would fix that. If that's all you no about thats off with the model.
i understand things would have been difficult to source refrence wise etc back when dennis had eden models.

I've been speaking to Rob at subtech he was saying that he now sells 1/72 scale alfa's and does wtc,subdriver,module,dive unit, based on water pump system.

just been on the phone with timber supplies workshop being kitted out 1st with new bench that i can walk around easier access for building.

Order going in for an alfa end of next month still to decide which 1 though.

Any ideas on the subtech kit??? Who produced it is it a matt thor job??

Who would be the best 1 to purchase piston tanks from> Engel or Norbert??

Thanks again for info and for checking out the Alfa Andy and ramesh

best regards adam

[Guest]

Almost forgot is this suitable

Almost forgot is this suitable for a drive motor if i purchase the larger Alfa from Sheerline.

This is a high quality industrial motor (Buhler) that produces high torque at a low speed of 2,650 rpm. Volts 12-24, 12 pole, bearings, 6mm shaft. The current consumption of this highly efficient motor is in the order of 3 amps. Weight 450 gm approx. You do not need anything faster than this for scale speeds but what you do need is the torque power required for the larger props.

Motor avaliable from Fleetscale.

http://www.fleetscale.co.uk/system/index.html

[tsenecal]

don't know if you are

don't know if you are looking for an alfa model on the east side of the atlantic or not, but if you don't mind the shipping costs, and you are looking for a larger Alfa, you might enquire here:

http://scaleshipyard.com/Catalog%20Page ... tml#SUB-31

[Guest]

Tsenecal.

Hi mate thanks for link

Tsenecal.

Hi mate thanks for link but at the moment im sticking with uk.

Scale shipyards 66" model $???? plus shipping.

Also noticed a 5ft kit in vendor section. $800 plus shipping.

The alfa from sheerline is 80" just under 7ft. £650

Subtech alfa hull and planes £200 slightly smaller though.
Wtc avaliable for resonable cost.

1 way or the other im buying an alfa. best looking sub of it's time

regards
adam

[Guest]

Prop size is 4-5", a

Prop size is 4-5", a real biggun. That motor you listed- I don't think it's enough direct drive but would be okay geared down.

The Subtech hull is the old R & R boat. Not massively detailed, and the dimensions are probably a bit out- I'm no expert on Russian boats though, not my bag really.

Ramesh is probably the best person to quiz on this.

I would go for a smaller boat any day. The biggun may look impressive, but it's a sod to lug about, and you will be very limited where you can sail it.