Los Angles class attack sub reference needed

[masterpiecemodels]

hi Gang,
I am looking for drawing interior details for the Los Angles Class Attack sub I have been commisioned to build a 17' long cutaway model of the sub .
Even thought the US Navy commisioned me to build this they cannot give me info because law does not allow it "go figure"
Any help will be appreciated and possibly paid for depending on the quality and quantity of the reference.
thank you in advance
John Geigle
Please visit my website at

http://www.masterpiecemodels.com

[gerwalk]

Re: Los Angles class attack sub reference needed

hi Gang,
I am looking for drawing interior details for the Los Angles Class Attack sub I have been commisioned to build a 17' long cutaway model of the sub .
Even thought the US Navy commisioned me to build this they cannot give me info because law does not allow it "go figure"
Any help will be appreciated and possibly paid for depending on the quality and quantity of the reference.
thank you in advance
John Geigle
Please visit my website at
http://www.masterpiecemodels.com

John,
excellent models! Wow!

At least they could have give you this (from the navy site)]http://www.sublant.navy.mil/photos/688_cutaway.jpg[/url]
or this]http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/ ... -away2.gif[/url]

Of course those are general arrangement diagrams but I think that for most of the ship they are OK (I wouldn't put my money on the reactor compartment and machinery though)
Good luck with your quest

[tom dougherty]

LA Model

There is a 20 foot long, highly detailed cutaway Los Angeles class (688I) at the Submarine Force Museum & Library in Groton, CT. It was built by former submarine officer Dick Alexander.

Certain parts such as the forward spaces are highly accurate; the engineering spaces (reactor, steam generator, main turbines, turbogenerator sets, etc.) much less accurate, more of a general layout. This sub model has details such as the Mk 48 torpedoes, bunks, consoles, even heads. With regard to the forward spaces, detailed items are in the correct scale and correct placement for a 688I.

[masterpiecemodels]

Re: LA Model

There is a 20 foot long, highly detailed cutaway Los Angeles class (688I) at the Submarine Force Museum & Library in Groton, CT. It was built by former submarine officer Dick Alexander.

Certain parts such as the forward spaces are highly accurate; the engineering spaces (reactor, steam generator, main turbines, turbogenerator sets, etc.) much less accurate, more of a general layout. This sub model has details such as the Mk 48 torpedoes, bunks, consoles, even heads. With regard to the forward spaces, detailed items are in the correct scale and correct placement for a 688I.

We are actually replacing that model as it is starting to fall apart
and the museum wants a more detailed model. If you go to
http://masterpiecemodels.blogspot.com/2 ... -dive.html
you can see the start of the hull. I will be posting an update of the model in a few days.
cheers
John Geigle
www.masterpiecemodels.com

[Rogue Sub]

Have you been to the

Have you been to the museum to look at the old one. Have you attempted to contact the base CO or CMC to try and get a tour of one on the base? There are ways to get declassified info. You jsut have to go through the right channels. I am surprised that if the museum is commisioning you to build it that they are not assisting you at all. Have you talked to the museum/nautilus CO?

[tom dougherty]

I am surprised that if

I am surprised that if the museum is commisioning you to build it that they are not assisting you at all.

I helped Dick Alexander who built the present model, make some repairs to it a few years back. Dick had been an officer on subs, and hand built the existing model. I believe it was quite a struggle to please everyone involved. He went through quite a few "change orders" on his model, as different officers (admirals to be exact) came in and gave him their opinions on what was and wasn't classified, and how certain things should be represented on the model. So, no, I'm not surprised that the new model makers are getting relatively little in the way of help from the museum. It's probably not clear what is and isn't classified, particularly back in the propulsion/machinery spaces. Dick was told to "make it generic", and then had a well known sub admiral come in and tell him to make the reactor plant more detailed. The museum personnel are stuck in the middle of wanting a good model, but not compromising items that are still deemed "classified".

The advice to go and visit the present model is probably excellent. Details like maneuvering spaces, etc. are pretty well represented in that model. I would also stick close to the drawing from above (it was from the "Fast Attacks & Boomers" exhibit at the Smithsonian).

Pictures of present Submarine Force Museum & Library 688 model are below][/url]

[masterpiecemodels]

We are making the model

We are making the model to look as close to this as possible

http://www.sublant.navy.mil/photos/688_cutaway.jpg

another person from this group emailed us blue prints that have been indispensable for this build. Especially since we are not sub historians
at all. All of the problems that the previous builder went thru we have had.
cheers
John Geigle

I am surprised that if the museum is commisioning you to build it that they are not assisting you at all.

I

[tom dougherty]

Be aware that the stern

Be aware that the stern section (propeller, rudder, stern planes & anhedrals) on the diagram you posted are not terribly accurate. The stern on the present model (photo #3) is much closer to reality. Also, the propeller has seven blades, not five as might be suggested in the diagram.

[masterpiecemodels]

Be aware that the stern

Be aware that the stern section (propeller, rudder, stern planes & anhedrals) on the diagram you posted are not terribly accurate. The stern on the present model (photo #3) is much closer to reality. Also, the propeller has seven blades, not five as might be suggested in the diagram.

I will pass that onto the museum director but what we have built is already the approved version of what they want. It would be nice to have actual
images of the stern section of the sub. We did do a seven bladed prop

[tom dougherty]

It would be nice to

It would be nice to have actual images of the stern section of the sub.

Like these? The last image is extremely high resolution image, with good stern details.

[tom dougherty]

I also noticed the diagram

I also noticed the diagram you are using does not show such key items as ship control stations, including the helm and ballast tank control area on the port side of control. Below are some representative interior photos. Note the ever present interior green paint & the crowded overhead areas.
Good luck with your model!

Helm in control room


Sonar area (starboard side froward of control)


Typical overhead area