Info on Skipjack to Permit - Help Needed

[wild oscar]

Hi guys im new so be gentle!
I'm about to scratch/convert using the Aurora/Monogram/Revell Skipjack hull. I want to build a Skipjack and a Permit or Sturgeon or Tullibee static model.
got my scales worked out but i need extra info.
The Sail how high on Permit?
Also deck clutter hatches and bits? (on ALL)
Can do a guess but i thought best to ask the best!

Many thankx with any help.

[mkeatingss]

Well, since no one else

Well, since no one else wants to address this, I guess I'll give it a shot.
The Skipjack model could be used to build Skipjack. And with some modifications, Scamp, Scorpion, Sculpin, Shark or Snook.
To use it to build a Permit, the hull will have to be lengthened (varies, depending on which boat), the planes and rudders slightly reshaped and a smaller sail built. And the amount of change will depend on which Permit you build.
To convert it to a Tullibee or Sturgeon will require even greater changes.
If you drop me a email at mkeatingss@cox.net, I'll send some basic info, on the four classes, so you can see what you're buying into.
Mike K.

[tom dougherty]

Just saw this post myself.

Just saw this post myself. I have an old article in which Ken Hart converted a 1/700 scale LA model to a Permit & Sturgeon. You could as easliy do this with the 1/350 Hampton or Dallas kits. Be aware that these would be approximations at best. Also, as Mike points out, there isn't one answer for sail height on the Permits, as that changed during the construction of the class.

As Mike mentioned, you are limited with a Skipjack, as the hull has no constant diameter sections (Type 58 Body of Revolution hull) that the later boats had. Permits, Sturgeons and LAs had large sections of constant diameter, with bow cap and tapered sterns. The control surfaces and sails all differed among the classes. Tullibee is in a class by itself; the bow is a different design & the stern tapers differently. Yankee Modelworks has a Tullibee kit in resin & metal, as well as all the other classes of submarines you mentioned. If & when you are ready to step up to resin kits, these are available.



Edited By Tom Dougherty on 1143938679

[wild oscar]

Hi Tom thanks for the

Hi Tom thanks for the reply yes i would be interested. I have found a generic deck clutter plan in an OLD book with antenna rigout as well.
But still would like some help if thats OK. I was suprised at the lack of replies bar your two good selves i would have thought it was an easy one. For most modern sub modelers to answer. but looks like not? And i did leave it vague as well. (lol)
I am a Sci-Fi modeller by birth but i do like to do subs (alot and often.)I am also a proper modeler not an assembler so hacking plastic about is no probs. Or simply making it from scratch.

[wild oscar]

Just a by the by

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[tom dougherty]

Just a by the by

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Any chance this message could be redone in English?

[wild oscar]

Sure i see what you

Sure i see what you mean!
The Skipjack hull is 'teardrop shaped' right?
The Permit et al are a tube with a tapered end one side and a cone the other?
(This is just a simplification into primatives, blocks/shapes.)
Yes i AM Computer Aided Designer!
Well on the kit its a tube with a tapered end one side and a cone the other as well! The bow shape is a bit off, but 100 grit will cure that!
I know this is not how it is in real life but because Aurora cocked it up it makes my life easier for conversion, get your Revell Skipjacks out guys!
Ignore width its a very small amount for all the conversions. and the propeller end is again easy to profile with 100 grit.
There is a 2 inch segment around its middle that runs parallel.
where it should taper away towards the tail. And i have some drain in ABS thats exactly right width wise. to extend the hull with.
Or use two kits.

[tom dougherty]

Or use two kits.
...Or use

Or use two kits.

...Or use the Dragon (DML) Dallas or Hampton kits, as I suggested to you in an email. There's a lot less work to do using those kits as a basis, including the fact you can easily adapt the sail structure (which you cannot do with the Skipjack). The 688's were longer than either the Permits or Sturgeons, and their bow is much closer in shape to these two classes than is the Skipjack bow. The Permits, Sturgeons, & LAs all had/have sonar domes which occupy the entire bow; the Skipjack had 6 torpedo tubes in the bow.

[gerwalk]

I agree with Tom on

I agree with Tom on using the Hampton for this. Is the easiest approach.

Neverhteless Revell's Skipjack could be used for other subs conversions such as Albacore (you need to cut a central secction), Barbel, and (with a lot of work) RN Valiant class (the aft hull is the same as the Skipjack class). I was toying with the idea of the russian Beluga too.

[wild oscar]

Now THERE is a couple

Now THERE is a couple of other possible conversions. I hadn't thought bout that! I still say that the Aurora is completly do able because of the mistakes in the kit so this may be 'going up the Andes bareback by frog' but here i go...