New Website, Feedback Please

[sub aqua models]

Hello,

I am creating a new website targeted at people joining this hobby. Lauch date early next year.

What would you guys be interested in seeing on it?

Every aspect of the hobby will eventually be covered.

People that offer something useful to the hobby, and who can be contacted easily or who have a website, have alreadly been contacted via Email.

Anyone wishing to contact me regarding the site, direct, can send me an email]webmaster@subaquamodels.co.uk[/email]

Look forward to seeing what you guys think

[tom dougherty]

Uuuuhhh, I thought there already

Uuuuhhh, I thought there already is such a website. And this is it!

[sub aqua models]

Tom,

No harm in having two

Tom,

No harm in having two is there?

[JWLaRue]

Yup, this is already the

Yup, this is already the main r/c sub hobbyist site to visit!

Based on the name of your web site and forum name, it sounds like you are starting a business.....?

-Jeff

[desert boat]

No room on my 'puter

No room on my 'puter for any new sites ...I like this one!

[tom dougherty]

Tom,

No harm in having two

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Tom,

No harm in having two is there?

Well, actually this isn't just a website, it is an entire organization which publishes a magazine, supports regional Subregattas, and other functions. We have officers, collect dues and have sponsors. It's a fact of life that submarine modelling is not a real "robust" hobby, in the sense of having tens of thousands of enthusiasts. Many of the submarine model vendors generously support this site and our activities. But none of them get rich doing it. So there's a very finite amount of resources to go around in terms of sponsoring these types of sites. As Jeff mentioned, is it your intent to start a new business to sell submarine model related equipment, or just start another (competing) R/C sub web site?

People that offer something useful to the hobby, and who can be contacted easily or who have a website, have alreadly been contacted via Email.

Well, it looks to me from the above that Jeff Larue, for example, hasn't been contacted, and he has made major contributions to this hobby in the form of custom brasswear to upgrade kits and articles about Type VII U-boats, to name just a few examples of his talents. What is your definition of "something useful"?

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[sub aqua models]

OK, you want to criticise

OK, you want to criticise us for helping people to join this hobby, fair enough, but sadly you opened a large can of worms. Some of these comments may be offensive to some people, your only going to know if you read it. Here are our views on the subject and comments to some of your replies, and we make no apology what so ever for them, but do agree that not everyone acts like described.

Yup, this is already the main r/c sub hobbyist site to visit!

Based on the name of your web site and forum name, it sounds like you are starting a business.....?

-Jeff

Jeff, we're interested as to why you see that our site will be a problem. Yes we are looking to start up as a business, but for the moment, we only plan on having a website for people joining.

No room on my 'puter for any new sites ...I like this one!

I'm sorry Ray, but it seems you misunderstood the point. We are targeting people joining this hobby, not members of it. Therefore the space on your computer is irrelevant, and doesn't concern me what so ever. Don't take up other people's bandwidth with your vague and lazy posts.

Well, actually this isn't just a website, it is an entire organization which publishes a magazine, supports regional Subregattas, and other functions. We have officers, collect dues and have sponsors. It's a fact of life that submarine modelling is not a real "robust" hobby, in the sense of having tens of thousands of enthusiasts. Many of the submarine model vendors generously support this site and our activities. But none of them get rich doing it. So there's a very finite amount of resources to go around in terms of sponsoring these types of sites. As Jeff mentioned, is it your intent to start a new business to sell submarine model related equipment, or just start another (competing) R/C sub web site?

Well, actually we're referring to the website. And, we couldn't really care less about what it supports and who it contains. The bottom line is this]What is your definition of "something useful"?/QUOTE]
Someone who is an asset to this hobby, and has the ability, time, knowledge and wisdom to help people start in this hobby, and remain in it for many years.

What is is that you see that is lacking in this site that would be on your web site?

OK, we a large problem with this hobby as a whole. As far as we can tell, you don't appreciate change, unless it comes from a 'sub-god' and there is too much emphasis real life submarines. It is almost as if you have lost your imagination. You go around building the same old subs, using decade old techniques to produce something that has been reproduced countless times before. This needs to change. Young people should be introduced to the hobby, and scratch building encouraged. Sadly there are too many kits out the that you just stick a wtc in and hey presto. Lets see some unusual projects announced and supported.

New website.........
Well apart from this one AND the host of local chapters sites, not just in North America but also across the world, add to that a host of individual member pages and member websites, why on Earth is there a need?

This is THE place for the Submarine hobbyist and/ or enthusiast.

Like stated above its so much more than a website.

Noticed you’re in the UK – do Subcommittee UK members feel a need for a new site?

Noticed also your not a Subcommittee Member from you “registered user” handle. Perhaps you might like to take out a membership and see the benefits. To use an old AMEX slogan “Membership has its privileges”.

Why not have one site that explains the ins and outs of the hobby to new people? Just about all the sites We've seen offer only one side to the story, and it's the same old side. The bog standard Nautilus, typhoon, alfa, you know the subs.
Yes this may be the place for the Submarine hobbyist and/ or enthusiast, but not for the 'newb'. Tim smalley's site is about the only site that addresses common questions and has this as it's main purpose, the others have it as an addition. Lacking a lot of information.


Yes

“Membership has its privileges”.

[/quote] but sadly it also has its downfalls. Our company doesn't want to be a member of an organisation of this nature, sending for a magazine written half way around the world, informing us of the same old subs.

We want to raise the profile of R/C submarines in the world, not lower it to something that can be trodden in.

SubAquaModels.co.uk

[PaulC]

Guys,

I think SubAqua does have

Guys,

I think SubAqua does have a point. Tim's site is much better at presenting factual information geared to those new to the hobby than this one. Yes, you can learn a lot from the boards but you have to dig -- or throw yourself out there and ask the same old questions.

As a web portal into the world of r/c subs, we do present a good window into what can be achieved. Where it isn't as successful is providing an easy entry into it, on either the information side or joining our membership.

To SubAqua,

With the above being said, I hope your customer service will be a whole lot friendlier than what you've displayed thus far. I know many US SubCommittee members who have purchased kits and parts from the UK (myself included). I'm unclear whether you've written off the US market, but introducing yourself via flaming posts is a reckless business plan if you haven't.

[aeroengineer1]

Hey, first off there I

Hey, first off there I am a newbee, and I have found the sites that are existing to be very helpful, and the sub Gods are also very helpful. As for modeling the same subjects, each person has their own taste, and perhaps it does not coinside with yours, last I checked we are entitled to still have our own oppinions. I personally really like the modern nuclear subs, but not the tipical WWII subs. There are others that have a different oppinion. Though, my next sub is going to be a Japanese Type A Mini sub. I happen to like the shape of it. And you berated the others for their comments, but you yourself are the only one here that has gone so far as to use vulgarities.

If you are going to start a business/website or whatever be upfront about it; I think that the amin reason that people do not really value your idea is because you have tried to do it through trickery and stealth. I'll admit that I was, and still am, very suspicious of you.

Adam


This is my first project
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=405573

[stoene]

Its akin to asking Mr.

Its akin to asking Mr. Walton how to build a better Walmart, while in his store. Nice one.

ps I'm aware he is dead.

[Guest]

Okay, my point of view

Okay, my point of view here. I'll add that I'm a UK based model submariner.

1. I don't see a problem with sub aqua's original post. He wasn't touting for business as such, just asking folks what they'd like to see on a website. If a US sub vendor had posted this, I expect he'd have received a warmer response.

2. Sub Aqua's remarks afterward, especially personal remarks were uncalled for, I think he should apologise and retract them. There is little to be gained by slating folk or how the hobby exists at present.

3. I would love to see a wider variety of ballast systems, boat designs etc. Bring it on, lets see what you have planned.

4. Perhaps, as you are benefiting from this site, paid for by Sub Committee members, you may consider contributing by paying for advertising on the site, or in the magazine.

Andy



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[Guest]

Ooo, BTW, it's nice to

Ooo, BTW, it's nice to know names too.

Andy

[sub aqua models]

Hey, first off there I

Hey, first off there I am a newbee, and I have found the sites that are existing to be very helpful, and the sub Gods are also very helpful. As for modeling the same subjects, each person has their own taste, and perhaps it does not coinside with yours, last I checked we are entitled to still have our own oppinions. I personally really like the modern nuclear subs, but not the tipical WWII subs. There are others that have a different oppinion. Though, my next sub is going to be a Japanese Type A Mini sub. I happen to like the shape of it. And you berated the others for their comments, but you yourself are the only one here that has gone so far as to use vulgarities.

If you are going to start a business/website or whatever be upfront about it; I think that the amin reason that people do not really value your idea is because you have tried to do it through trickery and stealth. I'll admit that I was, and still am, very suspicious of you.

Adam


This is my first project
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=405573

[color=#000000]Adam, we are fully aware of your opinions, beliefs and experience in this hobby. We have watched your build and respect you for it. However let us say this]

[sub aqua models]

Okay, my point of view

Okay, my point of view here. I'll add that I'm a UK based model submariner.

1. I don't see a problem with sub aqua's original post. He wasn't touting for business as such, just asking folks what they'd like to see on a website. If a US sub vendor had posted this, I expect he'd have received a warmer response.

2. Sub Aqua's remarks afterward, especially personal remarks were uncalled for, I think he should apologise and retract them. There is little to be gained by slating folk or how the hobby exists at present.

3. I would love to see a wider variety of ballast systems, boat designs etc. Bring it on, lets see what you have planned.

4. Perhaps, as you are benefiting from this site, paid for by Sub Committee members, you may consider contributing by paying for advertising on the site, or in the magazine.

Andy

Andy,

Thank you for your comments,

I apologise for the comments made about Jeff, but do stress, that it is comments that have been made about him from other members.

If we do decide to turn ourselves into a business, then we will strongly consider advertising here, but as I have said, at the moment, our site is purely designed to encourage people to take up the hobby. Once they have, they will be 'refered' to the SubCommittee.

SubAquaModels.co.uk