kursk - about the submarine, modelling,history

[metal-x]

Hello
There was a good TV program on french station "france 2"
yesterday.
Called "kursk, a submarine in trouble water"...
they explain the version that the kursk was attacked by US sub, toledo and menphis and a mk48 torpedo.
The program was great and interesting..
And that is fun to know that when the kursk go down in water years ago, tv said it was an old submarine, but in real it was the best one with the top of torpedo, the chkval.
Did we touch world war three for an inch ?
i have a kursk, a static one, do u know RC models of this submarine ? and have pics ?
thanks for reading my bad english[B]

[Guest]

The now defunct Rocky Mountain

The now defunct Rocky Mountain subs used to supply a big Oscar class set of mouldings. Don't know if you can pick up a set of these secondhand. Might be worth posting an advert on the Sub swap board.

I've never seen an R/C Oscar class, most people seem to like the usual Alfa's, Akula, Kilo and Typhoon classes.

This is a shame, I think, becuase it's an interesting looking boat.

Andy

[wayne frey]

I seem to recall Matt

I seem to recall Matt Thor posted the molds on the board for sale not to long ago,but not sure who got em and what the plans were.
It would be nice to see an Oscar out there. Manley plans to do a Sierria, but I am holding him up a little (due to some personal things) on getting some drydock detail.But I can get them.
I would love to see a 1/96 Delta VI kit, but do not think the market would be very big,even though it would be a good presence in the water with some US subs at the pond.

[captain nemo12]

Zvezda offers a nice kit

Zvezda offers a nice kit of the Kursk in perhaps 1/350th scale? (Don't really remember the exact scale) there's also a similar kit, the "Oriol" (not to be confused with "Oreo" ) offered by the same company from the same class.

[metal-x]

Zvezda offers a nice kit

Zvezda offers a nice kit of the Kursk in perhaps 1/350th scale? (Don't really remember the exact scale) there's also a similar kit, the "Oriol" (not to be confused with "Oreo" ) offered by the same company from the same class.

this it the on i have (the kursk), not a great kit but nice submarine

[novagator]

I would love to have

I would love to have an rc oscar and a typhoon.

[anonymous]

Wayne,
I agree with you, a

Wayne,
I agree with you, a 1/96 Delta would be nice. Something about the looks of it, rather purposeful/menacing (something the Ohio designers left out...), that would make it stand out in the crowd.

[fx models]

Hi,

Regarding your question about whether

Hi,

Regarding your question about whether we "touched WWIII for an inch", the answer is no we did not. In fact we were not anywhere near the Kursk[listening distance does not connote proximity]. The Kursk accident was due to the unfortunate state of affairs in the Russian Navy where to appear as if they can still compete in the world, they take risks, awful ones, with man and machines. The story that a US Sub was lurking nearby is a half truth. We were nearby in that we were in listening range, shadowing their operations as we always try to do and as they still do to us.
But the Kursk led itself and crew down its own path, and we were unfortunate bystanders who were witness to it.

M

[carcharadon]

The History Channel or the

The History Channel or the Discovery Channel (something like that) did a special on the Kursk. As I recall an explosion in the forward part of the ship was caused by, I believe a fuel leak in a torpedo. Or some chemical reaction from a leak in the torpedo. The sonar record shows first a small fire or explosion followed by a major Hull breach/explosion.

[koeze]

From what I remember the

From what I remember the russians use H2O2 in their torps. This is what a quick google turned up.

from www.lostsubs.com
[quote]Kursk

Date of Incident]

From web.ukonline.co.uk/chalcraft/sm/page6.html

Name Class Pennant Crew Built Builder Disposal Date Method
Sidon S3 P259 48 01_Sep_44 Cammell Laird Birkenhead 16_Jun_55 Sunk (not war)
Eastern Fleet. At 0825 on 16-Jun-55, Sidon (Lt. H.T. Verry) was lying alongside the depot ship Maidstone at Portland when one of her torpedoes exploded. The torpedoes had no warheads, but did have the new volatile hydrogen peroxide propellant. The crew had just embarked the torpedoes before going to sea for trial firings. A sudden uprush of air and smoke poured through the conning tower hatch. Her captain and others who were on the bridge, and others from Maidstone, entered the boat to assist rescue operations. At 0845 the submarine sank without warning by the bows. There were 56 men onboard at the time - crew, trainees and trials personnel for the trip. Three officers and ten ratings lost their lives but the remainder were saved. The wreck was raised on 23-Jun-55 and beached the next day. The 13 bodies were recovered on 25-Jun-55. A/S target 6/57. Lies a few miles West of Portland intact and upright. Another explosion of the hydrogen-peroxide torpedo at Arrochar torpedo range caused the development of the Mk12 torpedo to be cancelled. A memorial is being planned for 2005.

From http://geology.about.com/library/weekly/aa012801a.htm

[quote]
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A lot of copy paste action but i think this makes for a very believable scenario.

EJK

[metal-x]

but it was said that

but it was said that the torpedo with pure Hydrogen Peroxide which was supposed to explose didn't exist anymore ine the modern sub since 30 years.
On the pic at the right of the kursk there is an hole that is typicaly one of the mk48 a torpedo of us sub.
russian let the people die in the kursk (it was only at 100 meters down in the water), because they will tell the thruth...
all that is the opinion of the tv program i saw

[himszy]

I heard that they left

I heard that they left a torpedo running, as the motor had no resistance from the water, it overheated and exploded.

[Guest]

According to this link]http://www.jp-petit.com/Koursk/Koursk_michel_carre.htm

The Mk.

According to this link]http://www.jp-petit.com/Koursk/Koursk_michel_carre.htm[/url]

The Mk. 48 is an "ultra-secret" torpedo. That, along with the unanswered questions regarding the theory that an American sub sank the Kursk leads me to doubt the accuracy of the program. Why would the Americans attack a Russian sub during naval exercises? Why isn't there sound evidence of torpedo damage on the Kursk's hull, especially reported by the salvagers? She couldn't have been sunk from a collision, since 688-class boats are so small, they would likely sink well before sinking an Antey-class SSGN in such a manner.

[metal-x]

According to this link]http://www.jp-petit.com/Koursk/Koursk_michel_carre.htm

The Mk.

According to this link]http://www.jp-petit.com/Koursk/Koursk_michel_carre.htm[/url]

The Mk. 48 is an "ultra-secret" torpedo. That, along with the unanswered questions regarding the theory that an American sub sank the Kursk leads me to doubt the accuracy of the program. Why would the Americans attack a Russian sub during naval exercises? Why isn't there sound evidence of torpedo damage on the Kursk's hull, especially reported by the salvagers? She couldn't have been sunk from a collision, since 688-class boats are so small, they would likely sink well before sinking an Antey-class SSGN in such a manner.

because russian do a demonstration of the most advance torpedo]http://www.subcommittee.com/forum/icon_smile.gif[/img]

shkval]http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/4/23/220813.shtml[/url]

[thordesign]

There is an R/C Model

There is an R/C Model available. This is a good reminder for me. I will send the model and molds to Lee Upshaw this week. The Oscar is a neat, but BIG, model. I meant to send this beast off to Lee months ago, but never got to it. I will make sure it gets there this week as it is packed and ready to go. Contact Lee for details.