K-294 "The Comrade Lenin" (My Akula) - But do I still say "she"???

[Guest]

Preveet Comrades! I drift in and out of this board from time to time and, as some of you may remember, I'm building the Dumas Akula using Dave W's scaled tailplanes bought from Skip at SubTech. Anyhoo, while I had the opportunity, and it just happened to be snowing (Ahhh, Murmansk in the Winter ) I christened the boat and named her K-294 "The Comrade Lenin". Now comes my question..... Do I still call The Comrade Lenin a "she"? Yes its a boat, so you've got to call it that, but its named after Lenin......I'm lost and really very confused lol. Can anyone help me??? Thanks!!

-Brady

[anonymous]

Please excuse me BTW (I've

Please excuse me BTW (I've been again lied to by a Ukranian ) That should read "Privyet Comrades!" Not "Preveet". *sigh* Sergey that's the last time I'm listening to you

-Brady

[JWLaRue]

I don't claim to be

I don't claim to be an expert....but it's my understanding that the Soviets referred to a boat/ship as "he".......

-Jeff

[anonymous]

I beleive Jeff is correct.

I beleive Jeff is correct. Masculine terms for their ships, and their underwater ships too. In the 'west' we tend to refer to vessels as she. In Europe however some vessels that are very very large will tend to be refered to as 'he'. Examples being the German Battleship 'Bismarck' and the French 'Super Liner' 'Normandie' (one of my favorite non-warships) by their crews. We seem to refer to all vessels as she, all having lovely lines, while in Europe, they tend to factor in general size too.

How do they refer to their ships in Japan or China? Masculine or feminine?

Akula's, or the 'Bars' class as they are refered to by their makers are named after preditory animals (bar's being bear), Panther, Leopard, so on. 'Lenin' if depicted now would be out of political favor? But 'he' is your ship, command 'him' as you will Captain.

Steve Reichmuth

[anonymous]

I beleive Jeff is correct.

I beleive Jeff is correct. Masculine terms for their ships, and their underwater ships too. In the 'west' we tend to refer to vessels as she. In Europe however some vessels that are very very large will tend to be refered to as 'he'. Examples being the German Battleship 'Bismarck' and the French 'Super Liner' 'Normandie' (one of my favorite non-warships) by their crews. We seem to refer to all vessels as she, all having lovely lines, while in Europe, they tend to factor in general size too.

How do they refer to their ships in Japan or China? Masculine or feminine?

Akula's, or the 'Bars' class as they are refered to by their makers are named after preditory animals (bar's being bear), Panther, Leopard, so on. 'Lenin' if depicted now would be out of political favor? But 'he' is your ship, command 'him' as you will Captain.

Steve Reichmuth

Wellllll, the boy's at Murmansk wanted to try something different this time And who better to honor by naming one of the finest sumbarines in the world after than the beloved Comrade Lenin!

-Brady

[anonymous]

Wellll, a legend in your

Wellll, a legend in your own mind.....try to save us just a few ships for the rest of us to sink too ole chap.

Salute,

Steve

[Guest]

Hi Guys,

All submarines (boats) always

[color=#000000]Hi Guys,

All submarines (boats) always referred by Russians as "she", whatever assigned name would be.

Ship/warship - always is "he"

Vessel is used as general description of everything could be in water, for example yacht.

As you nay recon in "Hunt for Red October" Putin is saying to Ramius]

[wayne frey]

According to Sergey, my friend

According to Sergey, my friend who served on russian submarines,many of their boats never had names,only numbers.This was true of the Alfa class subs for sure.Later, they started naming the boats.
Lenin would not really be all that good a name.The "State" could have forced a name like that.The average russian was not to wild about Lenin.He caused a very hard life for the average russian.This comes from my wife,who is from there.
To be correct, an Akula should be named after a preditory cat to be "politically correct"There are may be an exception I can think of, The Vepr, an Akula II. I will have to get my wife to translate that to confirm it though.She does not hold a big interest in submarines,but will translate things for me from time to time.
The Typhoons origionally did not have names,but have since been assigned one,maybe two names.I would have to check to be sure.

[JWLaRue]

Wayne,

Since we appear to have

Wayne,

Since we appear to have different answers on this subject....

Can you answer the question as to how the Soviets/Russians refer to submarines...as he or she?

-tnx,

Jeff

[anonymous]

Hahaha, the replies.. the repiles!!!

Hahaha, the replies.. the repiles!!! I'm not aiming to be technically correct or to start a political war here! lol. I was just having fun w/ all this since it's my first boat. BTW, I cannot rename her now.... well, I could but it's a lengthly and potentially risky move (if I don't do it right) ...according to maritime tradition. And I was just taking ideas from scenes like in K-19 when they refer to her as "The Finest Submarine in the World" when I was boasting about the Comrade Lenin Thanks for the help everyone! I'll be calling referring to her as a she from now on!

-Brady

[wayne frey]

Brady,
I like your enthusiasm.

Brady,
I like your enthusiasm. Nothing wrong with creativity.
You are quite right,it IS all about fun.
On what I have said of the names of Russian boats I am sure,however "he" or "she" I cannot say with certainy. I get the impression it is neither. But, I will ask the man that drives one
I am due to write Sergey soon on other issues.Perhaps this coming weekend. It takes some time to convert to russian properly.It takes more than an electronic translator.The words are arrainged differently.
But, it is an interesting point. I will ask him. While I am asking,if anyone has a question, I may slip it in there.
His postion in the Russian submarine force provided him with extensive knowledge of all the newer boats.
I will not ask him classified questions.He is a friend,and I will keep it that way.
I now see to it he reads the Report. He likes our hobby very much.

[anonymous]

Brady,
I like your enthusiasm.

Brady,
I like your enthusiasm. Nothing wrong with creativity.
You are quite right,it IS all about fun.
On what I have said of the names of Russian boats I am sure,however "he" or "she" I cannot say with certainy. I get the impression it is neither. But, I will ask the man that drives one
I am due to write Sergey soon on other issues.Perhaps this coming weekend. It takes some time to convert to russian properly.It takes more than an electronic translator.The words are arrainged differently.
But, it is an interesting point. I will ask him. While I am asking,if anyone has a question, I may slip it in there.
His postion in the Russian submarine force provided him with extensive knowledge of all the newer boats.
I will not ask him classified questions.He is a friend,and I will keep it that way.
I now see to it he reads the Report. He likes our hobby very much.

Spaseeba Comrade!! That would be much appreciated!! BTW, just what class submarine is Sergey serving aboard......... if you can tell me without having to kill me

-Brady

[wayne frey]

It is detailed in the

It is detailed in the march issue of the Report.
Later in his career he oversaw refits for the submarines, including the Typhoon. He also trained Russian submariner's for years. He served on the Alfa,Akula,Victor,Sierra,Typhoon,Mike,Oscar,Charli e,and Echo class boats. He commented he was growing barnnicles he was at sea so much!
You should subscribe to the Report and become a member.You would get the march issue with Sergey's "Tales of an Alfa",and the summer issue,on which I just finished doing something of interest to you. If everyone is not tired of it, I will do something on another famous Russian submarine this fall.....
Pocca

[PaulC]

I may have my attribution

I may have my attribution wrong, but I seem to remember reading an explanation by Ned Beach saying that all ships were referred to as feminine in gender, and their operation in the masculine. For example, "He brought her around smartly" when describing the maneuver of a Japanese destroyer.