WTC&Ballast System

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  • adriaticsea
    Junior Member
    • Jun 2003
    • 139

    #1

    WTC&Ballast System

    [color=#000000]Hi all,

    I'm building a 1/96 ThorDesign Permit and, though I still have to finish the control surfaces (I already primed the boat, drilled and filed the flood holes and installed the sail) I'm planning what WTC I'll use in my boat. Well, I find Greg Sharpe's WTC design to be great, and that is what I'll probably use(I'd also like to have to have some feedback on the WTC described by Matt Spade on a SCR).
    However, I don't like the gas ballast system, mainly because I'm not very comfortable with copper soldering and I fear Propel pressure-related problems.
    I'd like instead to use a sealed tank with a geared pump. In this setup a powerful pump forces water into a sealed tank, tha air can't escape and it's compressed in the tank. A mecanichal pinch built using a servo and a ball race seals the tank, because the air pressure wants to force the water out.
    I found a good two-way geared pump at Conrad Electronic, and, if it's the same described in a old SCR article (the one in the samples on the SC website, written by Norbert Bruggen)it will be able to create a 3.5 bar pressure. This means that the tank will be filled at 2/3 of its volume.
    I can order plenty of Lexan tubing with various thicknesses to make the Tank (and WTC) so this is not a problem.
    The only real issue is space. I made some rough drawings and found that with such a ballast system the fit would be very tight.
    So here are my questions]
  • martin entwistle
    Junior Member
    • Feb 2003
    • 26

    #2
    If it's any interest I've

    If it's any interest I've got the same system in my 1/96 Ohio from Sheerline. The tank wall thickness is about 5 or 6mm but I've no idea what the pressure is in it, fairly low I suspect.

    If it's any help it's roughly 250mm long by 100mm o/d. Just an opinion but I feel it would work better if it was a little larger on the Ohio. However, it does work!
    Martin
    SC2150

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    • thordesign
      Junior Member
      • Feb 2003
      • 343

      #3
      The volume-pressure relationship is really

      The volume-pressure relationship is really very easy to calculate. If you remember your old chemistry PV=NrT.

      N=number of moles of gas
      r=gas constant
      T=temperature

      For all practical purposes here we will assume that N,r, &T are constants. Therefore P1V1=P2V2

      You know what your compressed air volume is going to be, so solve for P2=(P1V1/V2). P1, is atmospheric pressure for all practical purposes. V1 is the volume of your ballast tank. V2 is the compressed volume of air in the ballast tank. Make sure to watch your units.

      Also, P2/P1=V1/V2. If your volume is half, your pressure is twice as high.

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      • adriaticsea
        Junior Member
        • Jun 2003
        • 139

        #4
        Hi Matthew,

        thanks for the advice

        Hi Matthew,

        thanks for the advice on the pressure/volume relationship!!! I wonder why I didn't think it first, because I studied that formula only a month ago!!
        Ok, now I can calculate how much ballast water I'll get in the tank with the pressure exercited by the pump, wich is quite a good pressure, about 3.8 bar.
        Matt, is there a general ballast water volume needed to submerge a 1/96 Permit (using a standard WTC...ex.Greg
        Sharpe's) or it all depends on how the WTC is built?
        Thanks again for the info!
        BEST REGARDS MAURO

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